How about the Toyota Yaris. On which the headlights come on automatically at night and the rear lights are not on at all without physically turning them on. My mom had one. Also one night my neighbor left his house in his late at night and the headlights were on but when he passed, not a light one on the rears.
Sorry, my fogs are staying on. Nearly everything on my car is black. As ignorant as drivers are these days, if it's dark out and my lights are on (automatic headlights) my fogs are staying on with them. I want as much light coming out of my car as possible. Too many idiots. You should be more offended by my HID's anyhow.
Nathan JansenvanDoorn wrote:Kenny_McCormic wrote: I flash the E36 M3 out of people not using their lights when they should be, 90% of the time, they look at me like I've got 4 heads, and go right back to the iPhone.So..... you use your lights improperly to teach people that they are using their lights improperly? Interesting.
They get a friendly blip first.
I only have two gripes about lighti g etiquette.
One. I first and foremost hate it when when people drive in bad weather or low ambient light with out any lights on. Its not just irritating, its dangerous. And why is it always a dull colored car?
Two. People who drive behind you with the high beams on. People driving into oncoming traffic with high beams are usually making an honest mistake in my experience, because they usually will dim them when flashed with the passing lights. Not so with the ones that tailgate you, usually in a large SUV or diesel 4×4.
Two and a half. Blue or violet tinted head lights. It should be legal for any motorist to perform a PIT maneuver on any car with this awful, but thankfully uncommon , modification.
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I don't care for DRLs either, but they are what they are. I don't see much danger in them. My '01 Saab has them. I know I can disable them by pulling a fuse, just haven't gotten around to it.
HappyAndy wrote: Two. People who drive behind you with the high beams on. People driving into oncoming traffic with high beams are usually making an honest mistake in my experience, because they usually will dim them when flashed with the passing lights. Not so with the ones that tailgate you, usually in a large SUV or diesel 4×4.
when I drove commercial.. if I came up behind a car at a light, I would turn the headlights off. Like a lifted 4x4, my headlights were at the exact height to come right in the rear windows of most cars and SUVs. I was younger then, and would leave them on when behind an SUV just to give them a taste of what it was like. I wouldn't do that today.
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HappyAndy wrote: Two and a half. Blue or violet tinted head lights. It should be legal for any motorist to perform a PIT maneuver on any car with this awful, but thankfully uncommon , modification.
If I were a cop... every one of those idiots would get a ticket for impersonating a cop. I am not talking about cars with a slight blue tint.. but the ones running around with lights that are actually blue or even purple
Drove into a whiteout after a late night OT shift. Low beams on was like staring at a blank B&W TV screen. Option one was pulling off the road but I'd feel like a sitting duck. Shut the headlamps off and bingo, the amber running and cab lights lit up the road perfectly at reduced speed and there were no other vehicles at that early time of the morning.
I was impressed, it was kinda bootiful too. 
fasted58 wrote: Drove into a whiteout after a late night OT shift. Low beams on was like staring at a blank B&W TV screen. Option one was pulling off the road but I'd feel like a sitting duck. Shut the headlamps off and bingo, the amber running and cab lights lit up the road perfectly at reduced speed and there were no other vehicles at that early time of the morning. I was impressed, it was kinda bootiful too.
If you wan't to turn your parking lamps and four ways on as well that's one thing but quite frankly, I think leaving the back of your truck unlit is dangerous.
if the ambers are on.. then the tails are on. That is the way parking lights work
mad_machine wrote: if the ambers are on.. then the tails are on. That is the way parking lights work
I thought he meant DRLs when he said "running lights". Oops.
DRLs are another kettle of fish completely.. and I hate them. Not only do they seem to do nothing to avoid accidents from happening (I still just as many cars with in accidents than without) but I have seen so many cars with DRLs running around at night or in bad weather with just them on that I think they are more dangerous than not
Yeah, the ones that bother me are the super high intensity headlights and foglights. If you're off-roading, or driving on a deserted stretch of highway at night, use whatever lights you like. If you're on a busy interstate at dusk, using your HID's and 3 sets of eye-stabbingly-bright fog lights makes me want to kick you in the plums.
In other news, my wife pulled some bimbo over for DRL's only at 2am the other night. Aaaand then she turned out to be double the legal limit.
SyntheticBlinkerFluid wrote: I used to be one who hated people who drove with their fog lights on, but fog lights aren't even aimed up high enough to affect oncoming drivers' vision.
When is the last time ANYONE adjusted their fog lights? You know the ones close to the ground that always take minor hits. Hell most aren't adjustable and any car that has had any bumper impact is no longer straight. Most of the time those things are pointing every way but down low.
Also fog lights like those monster motherberkeleyers on Subarus and Mustang GT's are bright as hell with seemingly zero consideration for beam cutoff. Not sure I have ever seen a Mustang GT with the fogs off.
Around here the bigger problem is with folks using fogs in the rain. A properly aimed fog light will bounce off the shiny wet street surface and dazzle oncoming drivers just as badly as high beams.
mad_machine wrote: agreed.. driving with fog and headlights on is what needs to stop. in all my years of driving, I can only think of a few times I needed to use the fogs.. if anything, I use the rear fog more than the front fogs because while I can see fine in the weather, I do not want somebody plowing into the back of me in the rain/fog/snow
I'm sorry, not everyone lives in a well lit metropolis. The more light I can get when driving home to illuminate more of the road, I'll take. High beams only illuminate far down the road, lows don't show the road well.
Try driving down a dark country road late at night and try to see that deer about to jump out in front of you, or the neighbor's dog that got loose, or any other number of things that are in the roadways that you can't see without the most light you can get.
Sorry if that angers you. Some of us NEED more light on our vehicles. More importantly, if you're getting angry over someone using lights, you probably should seek help.
JohnInKansas wrote: . In other news, my wife pulled some bimbo over for DRL's only at 2am the other night. Aaaand then she turned out to be double the legal limit.
that is one of the things they look for when searching for drunks behind the wheel.. either no lights or ALL the lights
I just found out the e21 has amazing high beams......I cannot wait to piss off traffic around Indy @ 1am.....they aren't omg bright, they are OMGWTFBBQ melt your motherberkeleying eyes bright.
Oh, and it doesn't have fog lights.....
Tahoe wrote: If you drive with your parking lights on, STOP IT! If you drive with only your fog lights on, STOP IT! If you don't turn on your headlights when it's raining or snowing, please do. I know you can see, but it's easier to see you! I wish auto manufactures would make cars where parking lights could only be working if you aren't moving, and they would automatically turn the headlights on if you put the car in drive (if you turn the light switch to parking lights), and while I'm asking, make it so fog lights can only be enabled if the headlights are turned on! I drive at least 3 hours a day when it's light, dark, raining, and snowing, and it's not only annoying but can be dangerous when drivers don't use lights properly.
Bloody heck, man, you realize that some cars put their parking lots on as soon as the car is in drive, right? A lot of GMs do that.
Secondly, fog lights are technically supposed to be used without the headlights on if it's really foggy out.
I'm not entirely sure why this bothers you so much. And how exactly is this dangerous? It's not like they're using high beams and blinding you.
I use the fogs with the headlights in my truck when on dark country roads because they have a wide field and I can see deer's eyes light up way off the side of the road.
It is really the only use I have found for them. They are useless in actual fog.
ditchdigger wrote: Also fog lights like those monster motherberkeleyers on Subarus and Mustang GT's are bright as hell with seemingly zero consideration for beam cutoff. Not sure I have ever seen a Mustang GT with the fogs off.
I rarely had my fogs on on my Mustang GT because idiots would assume I had high beams on (even though they have a distinctive and LOW cutoff pattern, yes they do) and flash me. But I'd damn sure have them on at duskin the raon as they lit up the sides of the road much better than the weak ass headlights.
In fact, a number of my factory foglight equipped cars did a much better job of lighting up the sides of the road and the fog line area of the road with the fogs on than without. Gee, go figure, right?
My Volt has the parking lights come on with the car, and automatically turns the headlights on when it gets dark enough, though I have to turn the headlights on when the wipers come on as it doesn't do that automatically.
And most of the problem with people and DRLs is not that they think it's lit up enough, but that the dash lights up, so it looks like the lights are on from the driver's seat. Especially with electroluminescent displays.
Giant Purple Snorklewacker wrote: I use the fogs with the headlights in my truck when on dark country roads because they have a wide field and I can see deer's eyes light up way off the side of the road.
This. And I don't see how it's a problem? The worst is lifted trucks with their lights, either low or high beam, right at eye level.
In reply to Sky_Render:
My dad's Chevy truck's parking lights are on if the key is "on" and the parking brake is off.
I used to kill the headlights when pulling into the driveway so I could (try to) sneak in without waking up the folks, just had to push the parking brake down about 1/4" and the lights would go out. Fun fact of the day.
JohnInKansas wrote: In reply to Sky_Render: My dad's Chevy truck's parking lights are on if the key is "on" and the parking brake is off. I used to kill the headlights when pulling into the driveway so I could (try to) sneak in without waking up the folks, just had to push the parking brake down about 1/4" and the lights would go out. Fun fact of the day.
2000+ you could click the dome light override button 3-4 times in rapid succesion and turn off your drl's.....
moparman76_69 wrote:
This indeed.
I am that guy you hate.
I run with parking lights all the time, to increase my visablilty.. but I don't want to open the barn doors and have to push them through the air, for full headlights, unless I need/should have headlights (rain, snow dusk, night etc..they are open).
1990 miata.
yamaha wrote: I just found out the e21 has amazing high beams......I cannot wait to piss off traffic around Indy @ 1am.....they aren't omg bright, they are OMGWTFBBQ melt your motherberkeleying eyes bright. Oh, and it doesn't have fog lights.....
I converted the Sierra when I put in the accessory fogs to have a "6-hi" conversion. So when I kick the highs on, the highs, lows and fogs all come on at the same time. It's bright.....really really bright.
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