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Wally
Wally MegaDork
10/15/14 6:45 p.m.
GameboyRMH wrote:
z31maniac wrote: I'll put on my tin foil hat: I don't get why they continue to send the infected to all these difference hospitals? It seems as though one central place with all the proper protocols and equipment would be the best solution? Quarantine them together since they are already infected? Insert eugenics/NWO/etc conspiracies.
For one thing, the place would need to have its own airstrip or you'd be passing the infected through more airports. It would also have to be built in a remote place to avoid NIMBY effects. Which means higher costs again.

Or they could have a colorful brochure, and have the pilot eject over the Gulf of Mexico and tell the families the plane was lost at sea in an accident.

The0retical
The0retical HalfDork
10/15/14 6:48 p.m.
JG Pasterjak wrote: So ebola has now overtaken "crushed by a vending machine" in number of annual deaths in the US. Wake me up when is gets past "killed in sheep-related accident"* (*31 as of 2010)

Seriously we just passed brain eating amoeba status (since there are no cases so far this year). I don't know what the fuss is about.

The news seems to think that a legitimate counter to the CDC's information is a guy wearing a dust mask in a Tyveck suit holding a sign saying "The CDC is lying to you". Fear mongering at it's finest.

Playing in other people's bodily fluids and eating dead bats I find aren't a hobbies of mine so I figure I'm safe.

The_Jed
The_Jed UltraDork
10/15/14 6:55 p.m.
RX Reven' wrote:
Streetwiseguy wrote: Human trials going on just now on a vaccine that was developed in Winnipeg.
Bhahaha, Ebola has been around forever but the instant some white people are at risk, the E36 M3 gets solved.

Not sure if... are white people good or bad?

I'm confused!

Wally
Wally MegaDork
10/15/14 7:02 p.m.

In reply to The_Jed:

Yes

The_Jed
The_Jed UltraDork
10/15/14 7:18 p.m.

In reply to Wally:

Gah!

Nick_Comstock
Nick_Comstock PowerDork
10/15/14 7:32 p.m.

I wasn't trying to panic anyone or spread the fear by posting this. I just found it funny how they kept saying day after day that they didn't expect anymore cases. Then one nurse and now two nurses and now they are saying to not be surprised if there are a couple more. I live close enough to Dallas that I mainly listen to the radio stations out of there and It's all I've heard since this first started.

rebelgtp
rebelgtp UberDork
10/15/14 9:06 p.m.
Nick_Comstock wrote: I wasn't trying to panic anyone or spread the fear by posting this. I just found it funny how they kept saying day after day that they didn't expect anymore cases.

Funny I keep hearing that they are expecting 10,000 more cases per week (I am assuming they mean world wide) for at least the next 8 weeks and over 1 million cases by the end of January (again I am assuming they mean world wide). Heck I heard that on the radio again this afternoon on my way home for lunch. Not sure where they got their numbers or anything and no clue what percentage of that is expected to be in the US. I imagine some of it would be considering it has now been introduced.

They were also saying one of the worst situations would be if it started to spread throughout the homeless community because they are so mobile and not real solid way to track a single homeless individual.

Nick_Comstock
Nick_Comstock PowerDork
10/15/14 10:51 p.m.

Yes, I meant here locally in Dallas.

I heard the same report about 10,000 new cases per week.

They actually tracked down a homeless man who rode in the ambulance just after it transported the guy who died to the hospital. Last I heard about him was they were keeping him in the hospital until the incubation period expired.

chandlerGTi
chandlerGTi SuperDork
10/16/14 9:40 a.m.

That's all well and good but what about the guy who rode in that ambulance after HIM!

Lol

GameboyRMH
GameboyRMH MegaDork
10/16/14 9:57 a.m.

Guess they gotta burn the ambulance now, and Louisiana won't take the ashes...

bravenrace
bravenrace MegaDork
10/16/14 10:12 a.m.

You know, it's easy to make light of something like this, like I did. Then yesterday I find that the woman from Dallas that flew to Cleveland and back spent her time just a couple blocks away from my house and family. Suddenly it becomes real.

RX Reven'
RX Reven' HalfDork
10/16/14 10:20 a.m.
The_Jed wrote:
RX Reven' wrote:
Streetwiseguy wrote: Human trials going on just now on a vaccine that was developed in Winnipeg.
Bhahaha, Ebola has been around forever but the instant some white people are at risk, the E36 M3 gets solved.
Not sure if... are white people good or bad? I'm confused!

My own words would be both but Wally's answer of "yes" is an acceptable alternative.

bravenrace
bravenrace MegaDork
10/16/14 10:22 a.m.

Some people are good, some people are bad. It has nothing to do with the color of our skin.

tuna55
tuna55 UltimaDork
10/16/14 10:29 a.m.

I'm not prone to panic, but yeah, this thing frightens me.

Also, the CDC head is the 'ban big soda cups' guy.

Also, they claimed they could stop it from getting here

Then they said it wouldn't spread beyond the first one

Then the second

Now the third.

Each time they swear up and down that it's all good, and it obviously isn't. When someone does that, you can't help but wonder how much "isn't" there is.

bravenrace
bravenrace MegaDork
10/16/14 10:31 a.m.

This was written by the police chief of our neighboring town Brimfield (see my post above for why that's significant):

"Dear Centers of Disease Control,

Well…I might as well join the crowd, I guess. I am not a doctor nor did I stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. Since everyone in the government and press is firing up all of our friends over the Ebola cases, I thought that a small town police chief without a medical degree would offer some leadership to your organization. Heaven forbid someone in the government takes a leadership role. Gasp!

By the very name of your organization, you folks control diseases. I have to ask a question, and risk sounding argumentative. Here it goes.

You all REALLY could not isolate and control ONE case of Ebola? It was ONE case on U.S. soil. One!! You are the Centers for Disease CONTROL!!! Now, local authorities are being deluged with calls and have to do your work. That is just fine. We are accustomed to it. It is typical federal behavior. Pass the problem downwards, refuse blame and take credit. I have seen it hundreds of times in my career. No worries. I will offer some facts for the public, as if it were my job.

Ebola is a disease named for the Ebola River in Africa. One of the early cases was near the river. It is transmitted through contact with the body fluids of an infected person or animal. In an illness situation, since there is not usually a lot of smooching going on, we will say do not touch the regurgitation , feces or blood of one who has the disease.

Outbreaks occur every so often and the disease has killed a somewhere around 4,000 people since the discovery in the mid 1970s. As a comparison, about 2,100 people have died from lightning strikes during the same time period. People doing their own home electric work accounted for 5,240 deaths in that period. Animals have killed approximately 9,320 people since the mid 1970s. So, while I have a healthy respect for death, I am more likely to be killed by an elephant or reticulated python than Ebola. Nevertheless, the constant barrage of Ebola information and your inability to control ONE CASE of this illness has everyone on edge.

Here is my plan for stopping this nonsense. Use what you will.

1) Stop flying people here from infected countries. It sounds simple to me. Oh...LIberia to Dallas flight? Cancelled.

2) Isolate the cases you have and listen to your nurses. They are the folks who work most closely with patients. The doctors spend about five seconds with a patient. They sashay in, look around and then leave. It is an expensive runway walk, believe me. Nurses are the police officers of the Ebola world. You all are the congressmen.

3) Stop changing the story. The American people are suspicious by nature, because we have a 200+ year history of the government lying and engaging in cover up. You made that culture, so you have to live with it. Tell us the truth and stop changing the story. The truth is the truth. It is non-negotiable.

Carry on….Chief Oliver."

GameboyRMH
GameboyRMH MegaDork
10/16/14 10:33 a.m.

You couldn't handle living in the tropics. Every time mosquitoes chew me up while I'm taking a dump, I have to wonder if I'm going to catch dengue (for the 2nd time - it would be much worse than the 1st) or chikungunya.

bravenrace
bravenrace MegaDork
10/16/14 10:40 a.m.

In reply to GameboyRMH:

failboat
failboat UltraDork
10/16/14 11:36 a.m.

I am flying into Dallas in a couple weeks for vacation. I am sure I will see a hilarious amount of masks on the plane. That or I am flying one way to my almost certain death.

I just told my wife to check and see if the prices on flights dropped due to all the fear mongering.

aircooled
aircooled UltimaDork
10/16/14 12:37 p.m.
tuna55 wrote: ...Each time they swear up and down that it's all good, and it obviously isn't. When someone does that, you can't help but wonder how much "isn't" there is.

One reason why absolutes are generally a bad idea. Of course if they would have said "I can't say they it won't get in, there is always a possibility..." people would have flipped their E36 M3 also. You can't really win in these situations.

The "news freak" that is going on is not all bad of course, at least it makes people more aware / careful. I am a bit worried about some unintended consequences though.

BTW - I am not sure the CDC had anything to "do" with the Dallas situation. That seemed like more of a series of bone head moves by the hospital.

Should the CDC be demanding more appropriate behavior from hospitals. I would certainly say yes. I have no idea if they have that authority though.

slantvaliant
slantvaliant SuperDork
10/16/14 1:00 p.m.
Wally wrote:
GameboyRMH wrote:
z31maniac wrote: I'll put on my tin foil hat: I don't get why they continue to send the infected to all these difference hospitals? It seems as though one central place with all the proper protocols and equipment would be the best solution? Quarantine them together since they are already infected? Insert eugenics/NWO/etc conspiracies.
For one thing, the place would need to have its own airstrip or you'd be passing the infected through more airports. It would also have to be built in a remote place to avoid NIMBY effects. Which means higher costs again.
Or they could have a colorful brochure, and have the pilot eject over the Gulf of Mexico and tell the families the plane was lost at sea in an accident.

I hear Guantanamo is nice this time of year ...

tuna55
tuna55 UltimaDork
10/16/14 1:16 p.m.
aircooled wrote:
tuna55 wrote: ...Each time they swear up and down that it's all good, and it obviously isn't. When someone does that, you can't help but wonder how much "isn't" there is.
One reason why absolutes are generally a bad idea. Of course if they would have said "I can't say they it won't get in, there is always a possibility..." people would have flipped their E36 M3 also. You can't really win in these situations. The "news freak" that is going on is not all bad of course, at least it makes people more aware / careful. I am a bit worried about some unintended consequences though. BTW - I am not sure the CDC had anything to "do" with the Dallas situation. That seemed like more of a series of bone head moves by the hospital. Should the CDC be demanding more appropriate behavior from hospitals. I would certainly say yes. I have no idea if they have that authority though.

You give the folks in charge a lot more credit than I do. Right now I view them as a bad mix of incompetent and indifferent.

HiTempguy
HiTempguy UberDork
10/16/14 1:44 p.m.
aircooled wrote: Should the CDC be demanding more appropriate behavior from hospitals. I would certainly say yes. I have no idea if they have that authority though.

Who does have the authority then? Isnt the cdc THE authority? I mean, it seems funny that the buck stops with some hospital manager and the cdc can't go "we are taking over this situation"

bravenrace
bravenrace MegaDork
10/16/14 2:35 p.m.
aircooled wrote:
tuna55 wrote: ...Each time they swear up and down that it's all good, and it obviously isn't. When someone does that, you can't help but wonder how much "isn't" there is.
One reason why absolutes are generally a bad idea. Of course if they would have said "I can't say they it won't get in, there is always a possibility..." people would have flipped their E36 M3 also. You can't really win in these situations. The "news freak" that is going on is not all bad of course, at least it makes people more aware / careful. I am a bit worried about some unintended consequences though. BTW - I am not sure the CDC had anything to "do" with the Dallas situation. That seemed like more of a series of bone head moves by the hospital. Should the CDC be demanding more appropriate behavior from hospitals. I would certainly say yes. I have no idea if they have that authority though.

My wife, who is a NICU nurse, just emailed me the Ebola protocol that her hospital just sent her. It's proprietary, so I'm not going to post it here, but will say that they have taken pretty drastic and pro-active steps in regards to Ebola. The CDC on the other hand hasn't given them any guidelines. And this is the closest Childrens hospital to Tallmadge, where Amber Vinson was visiting. I agree with Tuna on this one. They had one case. ONE CASE, in the entire country, and they couldn't keep it contained. Pathetic.

Bobzilla
Bobzilla PowerDork
10/16/14 2:53 p.m.

remember, we want the Gov't to handle ALL of our healthcare. lol

I tell you what I've read some messed up crap the last few days. "It's how they're going to kill off the population", "It's their planned genocide" etc. Holy crap some of these people are crazy. Don't get me wrong, I distrust the gov't as much as the next right leaning libertarian-esque person. But to believe that they brought it here intentionally and are planning to use it to kill millions? Umm... yeah, that's way out there.

slowride
slowride Reader
10/16/14 2:56 p.m.

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