The Batman, if they even…

Look, I'm a Batman fan and I'm all for making more Batman movies. I understand that every few years someone else has to be the Batman and Now it's the vampire guys turn. But what I don't understand is why each producer insists on retelling the origin story?  
 

We all know who Batman is, we know where he came from, we know that his parents were killed, can we just move past that and get onto the story please? If the new Batman movie insists on starting over at square one yet again, I'm walking out of the theater.

It sets the tone by starting from a known point, like an orientation for the new adaptation. Also, for some viewers, this will be their first exposure to the Batmaniverse and they may need the backstory. 

Its like Adam West said in a guest appearance on Big Bang Theory:

  "All these new guys walk in and say 'I'm Batman', when I walked in everyone knew I was Batman".

I prefer the more real world Batman, as portrayed by Sam Rockwell:

The only batman origin movie I know of is 2005 Batman Begins.

I kind of agree with rehashing the origin story. We all know it by heart so it isn't necessary. I'm re-watching Batman TAS with my kids. There was no intro of Batman, he's freaking BATMAN. He just shows up, gets into some innuendo with Catwoman (who also needs zero introduction or backstory) and we are off to the episode plot races. It's that easy.

My requirements for a Batman movie are pretty simple. One bad guy bent on doing a bad thing, Batman spends the movie doing detective stuff (like he do), and stopping the bad guy. Save the backstory stuff for the bad guys unless it is Joker and you have a REALLY novel backstory. Heath Ledger's Joker only hinted at the backstory, but not having it tied to a vat of chemicals was a nice twist.

In reply to slefain :

You think YOUR requirements are simple?  I wanted to walk out of  "dark knight" after they destroyed the batmobile.  With the exception of the geo clooney batmobile, I would be happy with watching the batmobile do cool things for two hours.  Or even better, somehow he ends up on a nascar track and had to take out all the cars...or should it be on  a road course?

In reply to thedoc :

Have you seen death race? Jason Statham is a man in a mask who races around in an insanely modified car and the goal is to kill everyone else. 

In reply to Mndsm :

Yes, I think I have seen two of those movies, possibly three.  One was the back story of how he was burned.  Some of it was stupidly over the top.  My taste is only going down hill.  I recently enjoyed a show with michelle rodriguiz called "getaway driver".  I made fun of it, then was instantly hooked.  Possibly we should start a different thread on this!

I like that its called "The" Batman.  It makes me think the writer hangs around people like my dad who go to The Walmart or The McDonalds. :)

I for some reason like the 1989 version with Jack Nicholson.  Cracks me up every time I see it.  

I hope they don't retread the same territory. It looks real good though. I was skeptical when they said they were rebooting AGAIN and I was admittedly dismissive of them casting Robert Pattinson, but the trailers have won me over.

Error404 said:

Also, for some viewers, this will be their first exposure to the Batmaniverse and they may need the backstory. 

Bull.

Batman is literally known around the world.  He is one of the most known superheroes that exist.  Superman, Batman, and probably Spider-Man make up the top 3

Spider-Man: Homecoming was 100% succesful and didn't go into any of the origin of Spidey.  They just dropped you into the mess that was Pete's life.  They didn't include Uncle Ben, they didn't include any of the traditional stuff and it berkeleying rocked and then it kept on rocking for two more movies.

NickD said:

I was skeptical when they said they were rebooting AGAIN 

the DC cinematic universe is a berkeleying mess and they don't know what they are doing there.  They keep reconfiguring it for what they think is the correct tone and they keep berkeleying it up.

Mr_Asa said:

Error404 said:

Also, for some viewers, this will be their first exposure to the Batmaniverse and they may need the backstory. 

Bull.

Batman is literally known around the world.  He is one of the most known superheroes that exist.  Superman, Batman, and probably Spider-Man make up the top 3

Spider-Man: Homecoming was 100% succesful and didn't go into any of the origin of Spidey.  They just dropped you into the mess that was Pete's life.  They didn't include Uncle Ben, they didn't include any of the traditional stuff and it berkeleying rocked and then it kept on rocking for two more movies.

There has only been one Batman origin movie as far as I know.  I havent seen them all, but I'm reading the plots of the ancient ones and none of them seem like origin stories either.  Batman Begins in 2005 is the only one.  Literally every other Batman movie and cartoon (and game even) I have seen starts after his origin story.  What's wrong with telling the story more than once?  Everyone is acting like its super common, but I don't think it is.  None of the games start with the origin story either.

Mr_Asa said:

NickD said:

I was skeptical when they said they were rebooting AGAIN 

the DC cinematic universe is a berkeleying mess and they don't know what they are doing there.  They keep reconfiguring it for what they think is the correct tone and they keep berkeleying it up.

The Batman isn't part of the DCEU.

This version looks interesting in a turn your brain off kinda way. I think ill give it a shot..

ProDarwin said:

 

Mr_Asa said:

NickD said:

I was skeptical when they said they were rebooting AGAIN 

the DC cinematic universe is a berkeleying mess and they don't know what they are doing there.  They keep reconfiguring it for what they think is the correct tone and they keep berkeleying it up.

The Batman isn't part of the DCEU.

Which is another example of DC not knowing what the berkeley they're doing, if you ask me.  Why would you make a film for $100 million and not have it tie in to your existing universe that you're building?
They've got their heads up their asses over there.

Haven't they given up on making a cinematic universe?

Standalone movies would be better so that writers don't have to coordinate with others and just write a complete movie.

I like the Marvel movies but a lot of them feel like TV episodes.

In reply to j_tso :

Not sure.  Peacemaker sure is taking a dump on a lot of the Snyderverse though.

Mr_Asa said:

NickD said:

I was skeptical when they said they were rebooting AGAIN 

the DC cinematic universe is a berkeleying mess and they don't know what they are doing there.  They keep reconfiguring it for what they think is the correct tone and they keep berkeleying it up.

Very, very true.

Ten bucks says you wont leave after spending 15+ on that ticket ha

Also - you WILL walk out of the theater...after it ends 

OK, I'll fully admit that I don't understand the superhero movie craze...at all.  Sure, I liked the Superman movies with Christopher Reeves and the 1989 Batman movie, but that's about it.  Having said that, telling an origin story of any established character doesn't bother me.  If you're into the genre and character, I can see how it would be very entertaining.

Mr_Asa said:

Spider-Man: Homecoming was 100% succesful and didn't go into any of the origin of Spidey.  They just dropped you into the mess that was Pete's life. 

More than slightly off-topic, but I've seen stuff online where it's "If you could be any superhero, which would it be?" And people say Spider-Man. Are you insane? Even Spider-Man doesn't want to be Spider-Man. His life sucks. He's always struggling, and failing, to balance his school, work, and social lives and be a hero. His parents are dead, the closest guy to a father that he had died indirectly because of him, he accidentally killed his one girlfriend, he rarely gets any respect from most of his other superhero colleagues, no matter how much good he does J.J Jameson drags his name through the mud, his best friend is usually awful to him, MJ is often portrayed as manipulative or capricious.

hybridmomentspass said:

Ten bucks says you wont leave after spending 15+ on that ticket ha

Right here, why I don't support movie theaters at all. If the movie sucks, you're out 2 hours of your life and spent at least $10 for the privilege, while the studio that made the sucky movie already has your money and sees no repercussions for making a E36 M3 movie.