Dr. Hess said:I also concur with Dr.Mrs.J.Harry3. HFCS IS THE DEVIL.
Being allergic to corn, and thus HFCS, I have to say that E36 M3 is everywhere. It's a struggle to find anything processed that doesn't have it in it. Which was the big driver for me to switch to trying to eat real whole foods.
ive done paleo before, it worked really well for me because eating meat, nuts and berries is pretty much what i want to do anyway. I lost 40lbs in 2 months with light lifting and felt way better, not tired as much at all. Ive considered keto
I did fall off said diet because of heavy life stuff but that wasnt a fault of the diet.
IMO full keto is over the top, once your there you cant ever stop, unless you want to swell back to whatever you started at or more.
That being said, my wife signed us up for a challenge at the gym, 3 months, lose as much fat and gain as much muscle as possible. I lost 40lbs in 3 months, running calorie deficit really sucked at first, but got better as time went on. (know your BMR) We did Paleo esk, but added beans and some rice etc. Worked out nearly 5 days a week, sometimes more. Gym weekdays, climbing hiking etc weekends. We did two drinks on Wednesday and Friday and Sat were fair game if you stayed within your calories. Beer is the enemy I have found, I love it and it adds up SO fast its insane.
After the 3 months I upped my calories to maintenance and have been sticking around the weight I was. But eating the same types of food.
For tracking I use My Fitness pal, it has a barcode scanner, use it, makes it really easy. I have not been tracking as much now that I kind of have trained myself to eat better. But I still do some days just to keep tabs.
Tom_Spangler said:Is it me, or is there a study or a book or an expert that "proves" every single diet out there is either the best thing in the world or will kill you dead in a week?
It's not you. There's no magic bullet diet.
Eat a balanced menu with all things in moderation. Get some excercise. Use slightly more calories than you take in every day.
That's how it's done.
So not keto related, but in the same vein as some others, I've been using an app to track myself as well.
It has a bar code scanner, plus a pretty intense catalog that gets you to "close enough" calorie counts as long as you're honest with yourself and the app.
The sleep tracker and step counter functions are both horribly broken though, so I punch sleep in manually, and add a hour a day of moderate walking to my activities to count general walking, activity, and chasing the 3 year old.
When you set it up, it pulls your BMI and bases things around that, like calories needed to maintain your weight. I think BMI is mostly bullE36 M3, by it's as good a place to start as any I guess.
In addition to tracking food, it's got a ridiculous list of activities, you pick what you did and the time, and it figures out calories. It scales calories burned based on weight, which I've been seeing more and more recently. The numbers it shows match up with what I have seen online, so I guess it's close enough.
What I've found with it is that I average 1300 in and 900 burned every day. So while not the 3000 or so I need to maintain, it's not helping me lose weight. I also really need to be more active, and I'm working on it.
Right now, my long term goal is 35lbs. I'll be happy to be 250 again, but going lower would always be better. Since I moved back to PA, I've been in a slump. Put 40lbs on seemingly overnight, can't get the motivation to exercise, can't keep on a routine, but I'm fighting back and trying to get into the swing of things.
In reply to RevRico :
Calories are BS. The body has no way to count calories, it has no clue what a calorie is. Take 100 calories of fish, 100 of butter and 100 of kale. The body will process all three in entirely different ways. Counting calories pretends every calorie is the same thing. It's simply not true and has way more to do with how the body metabolizes what you eat vs how many calories you eat.
CICO will work 100% of the time.
The rest is just getting used to it.
Exercise is great and you will see better results faster (and feel better, and be healthier with a lower blood pressure and so on) but it is totally not necessary. You can easily become skinny-fat just by CICO.
I quit drinking during the week and going out for lunch at work. So far so good down 50 lbs this year. No other significant changes. Still eat my spaghetti with garlic bread. Still have the occasional 16oz ribeye or cheeseburger. Still suck down about 100 IPAs most weekends.
I am proof that CICO works.
In reply to 93gsxturbo :
I'm no expert, but 100 IPAs in a weekend is too much. 
EastCoastMojo said:In reply to 93gsxturbo :
I'm no expert, but 100 IPAs in a weekend is too much.
Any IPAs are too much IMO.
Ill take a 100 Porters and Stouts
ThatsNoUsername said:EastCoastMojo said:In reply to 93gsxturbo :
I'm no expert, but 100 IPAs in a weekend is too much.
Any IPAs are too much IMO.
Ill take a 100 Porters and Stouts
Can I sign up to your newsletter sir?
Nick Comstock said:In reply to RevRico :
Calories are BS. The body has no way to count calories, it has no clue what a calorie is. Take 100 calories of fish, 100 of butter and 100 of kale. The body will process all three in entirely different ways. Counting calories pretends every calorie is the same thing. It's simply not true and has way more to do with how the body metabolizes what you eat vs how many calories you eat.
If given the choice. Would you rather eat 100 calories of fish, 100 calories of butter, or 100 kale?
5 years was 260 eating too much. Our family went to keto. I'm down to 195 now, also commute by bicycle all year 10 miles a day. Weekends are 30-60 road or gravel miles. To be fair I've gained a bit of leg muscle mass. One benefit for me was my reduction in allergies with eliminating flour and corn. I just feel better. Occasionally I'll splurge on a tiny bit of crusty French bread. But I really dont miss starchy things and sweets as much as I anticipated. Interesting challenge in the bicycling world is the use of gel packs for fuel on rides. I don't use them...but I did complete my first 100 mile ride without fading or bonking. I'm 55 and will never beat the kids in bicycles. But I do ok with the other old guys on long rides. I dont preach this to everyone, it just works for me. But cutting sugar, corn syrup, and white foods makes sense to me.
In reply to yupididit :
My problem is I'd eat all three. Plus half a chicken or a 16 oz steak and a roll or two. Plus another 500 in rice and gravy and another 500 from a big old bowl of ice cream and blueberries.
Now it's 2350 calories a day and very little carbs. I've gone from 300 pounds last Wednesday morning to 291 this morning. Things will level out now and it will be the long slog to becoming 75% of the man I was.
This seems relevant.
Nick Comstock said:In reply to RevRico :
Calories are BS. The body has no way to count calories, it has no clue what a calorie is. Take 100 calories of fish, 100 of butter and 100 of kale. The body will process all three in entirely different ways. Counting calories pretends every calorie is the same thing. It's simply not true and has way more to do with how the body metabolizes what you eat vs how many calories you eat.
I completely agree, but a starting point is a starting point. Especially when you live with someone who thinks a pound of pasta and loaf of bread as a side dish is an acceptable, healthy meal.
In reply to yupididit :
Kale. Not a huge fan of fish. And I would use the butter to cook the fish in.
Tom_Spangler said:I forget where I saw this, but I think it sums things up nicely:
Eat food. Not too much. Mostly plants.
Michael Pollan. The book is, In Defense of Food: An Eater's Manifesto.
Nick Comstock said:ThatsNoUsername said:EastCoastMojo said:In reply to 93gsxturbo :
I'm no expert, but 100 IPAs in a weekend is too much.
Any IPAs are too much IMO.
Ill take a 100 Porters and Stouts
Can I sign up to your newsletter sir?
When i get one, youll be the first i inform lol.
My fiancee describes IPAs as what people who hate beer , think beer should taste like. Shes right.
In reply to RevRico :
what app is this.. I was using myfitnesspal but am not happy with everything theya re pulling out of it lately.
In reply to Fueled by Caffeine :
Health and fitness tracker with calorie counter. It's from droid infinity.
On Google play store, it's the first thing that comes up when you search "health infinite". There's a free version with lots of ads, $2.99 to get rid of ads, $10 for lifetime "pro" version which includes fitness challenges, food grading, and better progress charting.
Like I said, the step counter and sleep tracker suck, but it keeps a pretty decent daily food/activity log.
I got really spoiled by the LG fitness app on my last phone, but haven't found it yet for non LG devices.
Nick Comstock said:In reply to RevRico :
Calories are BS. The body has no way to count calories, it has no clue what a calorie is. Take 100 calories of fish, 100 of butter and 100 of kale. The body will process all three in entirely different ways. Counting calories pretends every calorie is the same thing. It's simply not true and has way more to do with how the body metabolizes what you eat vs how many calories you eat.
Calories are not BS. It's not a perfect way of measuring energy but it's quite good and if you reduce your caloric intake below what you require to maintain your weight - and it's a simple calculation, you wil lose weight
every
single
time.
What's BS ( and often really unhealthy) is the diet business. I don't care whether it's keto, adkins, or some other kind of nonsense they're all doing the same thing. Cutting calories and that's why you're losing weight.
The only way to do it safely and and keep it off is to change your habits and your lifestyle.
In reply to Suprf1y :
They've been preaching CICO for at least the last 35 years. As a species has our obesity issues got worse or better in that time?
Let's just say I disagree.
LOL Really?
We've known the benefit of that for a lot longer. Too bad most people - the huge majority of the population in N.America ignore it, eat junk and don't get enough exercise.
That's why so many people are overweight. Not because calories are BS.
In reply to RevRico :
cool.. thanks.. I'm most interested in tracking my macros.. my fitness pal wants some stupid monthly fee for this feature.
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