NickD said:What the berkeley was the point behind the scene where Luke milks the giant creature and then drinks from it? Did we really need that? There were points where I went "Who gave George Lucas his keys back?
I thought the same things at points. That thing, the whole creatures taking care of the island and the Porgs.
I still like it better then Episode VII though.
NickD said:Oh, I got that. But whereas the original showed that Luke would become like Vader if he succumbed to the Dark Side, 2.0 just showed an infinite number of Rey reflections, who then proceeded to snap their fingers. So if Rey fell to the Dark Side she would be cursed to star in West Side Story? I don't know. It didn't really make any sense, or have any point, especially after Luke freaked out about her going towards it.
Actually thinking about the scene some more, the Cave of Evil 2.0 might be showing Rey, to not give any spoilers, the same thing that Kylo Ren said about her parents.
GameboyRMH said:NickD said:Oh, I got that. But whereas the original showed that Luke would become like Vader if he succumbed to the Dark Side, 2.0 just showed an infinite number of Rey reflections, who then proceeded to snap their fingers. So if Rey fell to the Dark Side she would be cursed to star in West Side Story? I don't know. It didn't really make any sense, or have any point, especially after Luke freaked out about her going towards it.
Actually thinking about the scene some more, the Cave of Evil 2.0 might be showing Rey, to not give any spoilers, the same thing that Kylo Ren said about her parents.
She sees only herself. No parents? Who else was born without a father? #nospoilersbutanakinfromepisode1?
Hey people. It's only been out like 3 days. Some of us haven't seen it yet.
In reply to Beer Baron :
I have seen it and I still find the spoilers pretty lame.
I am disappoint.
In reply to Jerry :
Except I liked the prequels (aside from Ep 1, which is still largely pointless) and consider Ep. 3 my favorite. And although Ep. 7 was a remake if 4m I still enjoyed it. My issue with 8 is less that it's a remake of 5, and more that it has a bunch of plot issues and dropped story threads
Finally watched it last night since it hit Netflix. It was...whelming. It was a good 30 minutes too long with some absolutely stupid/pointless detours. I think Rogue One was a better movie, but this at least moves the story forward.
Episode 9 needs to answer a lot of questions for me to feel more comfortable with Last Jedi. A lot.
Appleseed said:Episode 9 needs to answer a lot of questions for me to feel more comfortable with Last Jedi. A lot.
I don't know that episode 9 can make up for LJ. The movie had too many... amateur? Dumb? characters. The most egregious example to me was the purple haired Captain (Holdo?). No one could figure out what she was doing--tell some people your plan, because all it looks like is suicide. Didn't really seem to be real leadership there.
At the risk of this turning back into a TLJ bitch-fest, I ended up seeing this again in theaters and it is just such an infuriating movie to watch. The plot spends the whole middle section going nowhere and nothing interesting happening, plot threads from the last movie get thrown out with reckless abandon in manners that make no sense (Luke left to go hide and die on some planet and didn't want anyone finding him, so he left a detailed map behind?!) and 90% of the characters act like morons.
I will say, for all the kvetching about Solo, I enjoyed that film much, much more.
Solo was great. It was written in such a way that I quickly accepted that I wasn't watching Harrison Ford as Han Solo, I was watching Han Solo.
I finally watched this the other night, and while there were some misses (too many jokes at awkward times, etc), some of the things were pure Star Wars and blew me away. Purple haired Vice Admiral's last scene was incredible. I rewatched it twice during the movie and had to find it on Youtube just now to see it. It raises all sorts of questions (why didn't she do it sooner? Why hasn't it happened before?) but man it was awesome.
I will solidly place Solo above VIII. Chewy and Lando were the best parts. Young Han was unremarkably adequate. Overall it was better than the I expected.
I only had 2 complaints. One was L3 being a little heavy handed on the political front. I could go further but that would become a discussion of the “Space Opera” vs the “Morality Play” in science fiction. The other was Han’s character development. He was too good in the end. He wasn’t the scoundrel you met in IV. That meant the importance of his arc is debatable because he had fallen again before IV.
I still think it would have been interesting to see Solo done in the way the original director was going, which was a bit more goofy funny. Clearly you could go to far with that and end up insulting the entire universe, but if done right (think Indiana Jones) it could have been great.
There was a big Star Wars marathon over the weekend, and I just re-watched The Force Awakens. Despite having been 12 years old in 1977 - the ideal age - I think I'm just fundamentally over the entire franchise.
Plot holes you can fly a star destroyer through, repetition (really, three times with the giant planet-killing sphere with a fatal weakness?!), the illogical mechanics, the fact that any hero can immediately use any random weapon / equipment / spaceship / etc better than the highly trained enemy, the weird passage of time during and between each movie, the ponderous-yet-still-inscrutable politics, the major characters and story arcs that end up going nowhere, the whole bit.
It could have been a great story, but it just... isn't, anymore. I'm very willing to suspend disbelief, but the SW franchise has strained that beyond the breaking point for me.
Brian said:I will solidly place Solo above VIII. Chewy and Lando were the best parts. Young Han was unremarkably adequate.
Woody Harrellson as Woody Harrellson was also great.
In hindsight, I'm realizing that the "Main" storyline is being used to sell the secondary stories, but if Disney were smart, it would've spent a decade making "Star Wars Stories" to see what landed with the audiences.
I feel like Ep4-6 wasn't very deep. It wasn't overly complicated. It had plot holes, plenty of them, that we overlooked. It just a mere introduction to the history, and power of the Force.
Ep 1-3 got a lot of flack because it was too much kid movie stuff. Too big and colorful and cheerful with bad humor and bad actors.
Ep6&7 have remedied the errors of 1-3, but now we've got fans who know the entire universe, and debated the merits of that expanded universe. Many fans loved the storylines in Clone Wars and Rebels. They loved Thrawn and the idea of a larger Skywalker family.
When the writers threw away the Expanded Universe, they also threw away all the learning, criticism, and success that those stories had. Thrawn's reemergence in Rebels, and the small screen story that went along with it, showed prospect.
Then they went and ditched all of the good stuff when the wrote 7/8/9. Fans wanted to see references to Clone Wars, to Rebels, they wanted tie-ins that only "true fans" would understand. They wanted depth and complexity that would require decades more books and movies to explain and unravel. Instead, the new movies feel isolated and confined, not helped by the side stories that seem to distract from the questions we want to see answered (more about Knights of Ren, Snoke, "The Unknown Regions", who else Luke might have trained, etc) so the movies seem to rush through the stuff we want to see and slow through the parts we don't.
In reply to pheller :
I absolutely agree. In my opinion, the best thing to come out of the prequel movies was the Clone Wars spinoff. And later appearances of memorable Clone Wars and Star Wars characters made Rebels fun to watch.
I didn't need the new films to hold my hand and walk me through the rise of the First Order, but to tease a new 'lord of the universe' character in Snoke, then get rid of him as soon as convenient--without any explanation of who or what he was--was really lazy movie making and a disservice to all of the fans who are trying to piece together some continuity in these stories.
I agree that last jedi had quite a few plot issues, but still found it to be entertaining. Not great, but not the worst movie I've seen. I have not seen Solo and am not really interested in seeing it. I am not their target audience.
In reply to pheller :
Well said. I was 10 when the original trilogy was remastered and in theaters. Ten year olds are much less critical.
I haven't watched the animated series, though I mean to. But I do think it a bit of the B and the S that disney basically scrapped all that story line.
I own TFA and just rewatched TLJ. Neither are great, but I don't understand all the hate. And While not a fan of Rogue One, I thought Solo was very well done. Still looking forward to IX.
In reply to barefootskater :
Maybe it’s an age thing, but in my impression, Rogue One is the best of the bunch since EpV / ESB. Solo was just acceptable.
Duke said:In reply to barefootskater :
Maybe it’s an age thing, but in my impression, Rogue One is the best of the bunch since EpV / ESB. Solo was just acceptable.
Rogue One was maybe the best SW film of all. Let's be honest, Star Wars were never great movies in terms of plot, acting, logic, and depth. Because of that I don't think too much into them like most fans. I guess that's why TLJ didn't disappoint me.
pheller said:In hindsight, I'm realizing that the "Main" storyline is being used to sell the secondary stories, but if Disney were smart, it would've spent a decade making "Star Wars Stories" to see what landed with the audiences.
I feel like Ep4-6 wasn't very deep. It wasn't overly complicated. It had plot holes, plenty of them, that we overlooked. It just a mere introduction to the history, and power of the Force.
Ep 1-3 got a lot of flack because it was too much kid movie stuff. Too big and colorful and cheerful with bad humor and bad actors.
Ep6&7 have remedied the errors of 1-3, but now we've got fans who know the entire universe, and debated the merits of that expanded universe. Many fans loved the storylines in Clone Wars and Rebels. They loved Thrawn and the idea of a larger Skywalker family.
When the writers threw away the Expanded Universe, they also threw away all the learning, criticism, and success that those stories had. Thrawn's reemergence in Rebels, and the small screen story that went along with it, showed prospect.
Then they went and ditched all of the good stuff when the wrote 7/8/9. Fans wanted to see references to Clone Wars, to Rebels, they wanted tie-ins that only "true fans" would understand. They wanted depth and complexity that would require decades more books and movies to explain and unravel. Instead, the new movies feel isolated and confined, not helped by the side stories that seem to distract from the questions we want to see answered (more about Knights of Ren, Snoke, "The Unknown Regions", who else Luke might have trained, etc) so the movies seem to rush through the stuff we want to see and slow through the parts we don't.
I loved the Clone Wars series. Btw, they are bringing back a new season!
yupididit said:Duke said:In reply to barefootskater :
Maybe it’s an age thing, but in my impression, Rogue One is the best of the bunch since EpV / ESB. Solo was just acceptable.
Rogue One was maybe the best SW film of all. Let's be honest, Star Wars were never great movies in terms of plot, acting, logic, and depth. Because of that I don't think too much into them like most fans. I guess that's why TLJ didn't disappoint me.
I'm a huge Star Wars nerd (cough cough my stormtrooper build thread cough cough), but even I will admit ALL of the movies have issues if you want to sit down and analyze them. None of them are perfect, all are passable entertainment (I'm even looking at you Jar Jar). If I had to pick favorites, it would go Empire, then 2nd-whatever places I'd have a hard time choosing. Solo was pretty good, I liked R1 better on my second viewing when I knew more of the backstories. It does seem like hating the new movies post-Disney is like an internet hobby, possibly internet job.
Maybe I'm just able to channel my inner 10 year old self when I see the title crawl of any of the movies and just have fun.
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