the perfect example of an H2

I can't wait til the whole SUV phase dies....

Another LS1 available!

Yeah in a few pieces, by the looks of that crash.

That's how all Hummer vehicles should be.

Of course, I hope the driver was ok.

Twin_Cam wrote: That's how all Hummer vehicles should be. Of course, I hope the driver was ok.

I hope whoever they hit is OK.

Grtechguy wrote: I can't wait til the whole SUV phase dies....

I like my SUV.

Of course, SUVs have been around since the '50s, and were even marketed as family wagons and luxury vehicles in the '50s and '60s. None of these ads is newer than 1967.

the perfect H1 http://sandiego.craigslist.org/esd/cto/1125076291.html

I especially liked when the H2 was released, how they were prone to having the front wheels fall off under normal usage.

First reported incident was by the auto critic of the Sacramento Bee, taking one for a test drive. It fell off just driving around a smooth parking lot.

I remember when these first came out. I was way exited. A "smaller" Hummer? Awesome. And then I looked underneath: a straight rear axle? WTF? This this has Suburban guts!

ManofFewWords wrote: the perfect H1 http://sandiego.craigslist.org/esd/cto/1125076291.html

Yes, please.

ManofFewWords wrote: the perfect H1 http://sandiego.craigslist.org/esd/cto/1125076291.html

3000lb springs? I just put 300lb springs on the Disco and was warned they may be harsh.

Usually on truck springs they are rates at load capacity rather than rate.

ManofFewWords wrote: the perfect H1 http://sandiego.craigslist.org/esd/cto/1125076291.html

I'd buy that in a second if I had the cash. Granted I actually do field research so such a rig is more practical to me.

I remember being cautiously excited about the smaller hummer. Then I saw a few in action (with "M" plates on them at the Mounds here in MI. I was depressed that GM had abused the hummer name with that crap. I pulled one out of the mud in my CJ, then proceded to drive through that mud holein my CJ, IN 2 WHEEL DRIVE!!! On another outing to the mounds I saw yet another pair of "M" plated H2's avoiding anything that would stimey a big-wheel. When I prodded the engineer about the lack of cajones he said the locker was broken and they wanted to make sure they could make it home. I showed them my sticker on the back of my Jeep that said "attach stuck hummer here" and pointed to my D-ring. They were non-to-pleased.

Jeeps rule, any hummer but an H1 is for sissies.

Appleseed wrote: I remember when these first came out. I was way exited. A "smaller" Hummer? Awesome. And then I looked underneath: a straight rear axle? WTF? This this has Suburban guts!

Actually, 2500 series pickup axles, specific springs and shocks, and 2/3rds of the chassis is specific to the H2. And all of the stuff that hung down near or under the frame on the trucks and Tahoes was moved above the frame rails with new skit plates and skid rails mounted lower to protect them.

BTW, the best Range Rovers for offroad use straight axles, as do most of the serious Jeeps and pickups, so I don't see where that complaint comes from.

And while most owners don't take them offroad, that doesn't mean that they aren't good offroad as a number of the more adventerous owners have found.

I like that H1

You can get a lot more suspension articulation out of a live axle than you can an independent setup. That's a weak point of the H1 from what I understand.

Appleseed wrote: I remember when these first came out. I was way exited. A "smaller" Hummer? Awesome. And then I looked underneath: a straight rear axle? WTF? This this has Suburban guts!

I like straight axles for off-roading. I'll keep the stright axles on my Jeeps and 4wd Chevy thanks.

The H1 was an adaptation of the military version which was intended not for rock crawling but rather for urban warfare and high speeds across rough ground. That's how it ended up with SLA suspension.

Articulation was obviously not one of the design criteria, so it's not surprising that it wasn't a focus of the design team. But it's still a weak point.

Jensenman wrote: The H1 was an adaptation of the military version which was intended not for rock crawling but rather for urban warfare and high speeds across rough ground. That's how it ended up with SLA suspension.

One of the coolest things on the H1 is the inboard brakes, I'd love a car to have that, reduced unsprung weight on that beast makes me laugh sometimes, wow I'm weird.

i thought it was to keep the sand and other e36M3 out of the brakes?

seeing as a properly working H2/3 is quite capable off road, does anyone think that in another 10 years these will go from the malls to being used for "affordable" trail rigs?

BTW, IIRC the last gen of the military jeeps where 4 wheel independant, and required a special liscense to operate.

I have no problem with live axles. In fact, most of the cars I've owned and loved had them. Its just that the H1 had all these cool features and the H2 had, well, regular truck underpinnings. Kind of like a Corvette with a diesel 4 banger. It would work, but it just wouldn't be the same.