Tiger king

In reply to RossD :

Agreed.  He seemed the most normal of all of them.  His wife? Not so much.

Yeah. We watched the trailer on Saturday then binged all 7 episodes. One of the most bizarre, intriguing things I've ever watched. 

Oklahoma: 0 days since our last national embarrassment. 

Also, Carole definitely killed her husband.

Will said:

I'm not sure there's a single sane person in the whole show.

It appears that reptile and amphibian breeders agree with you.

z31maniac said:

Yeah. We watched the trailer on Saturday then binged all 7 episodes. One of the most bizarre, intriguing things I've ever watched. 

Oklahoma: 0 days since our last national embarrassment. 

Also, Carole definitely killed her husband.

 

Carole makes the drug kingpin look like a saint. 

In reply to Mndsm :

Drug king pin is the most sane dude.  How am I not going to tell you I didn't hold the circular saw to his neck?

z31maniac said:

Yeah. We watched the trailer on Saturday then binged all 7 episodes. One of the most bizarre, intriguing things I've ever watched. 

Oklahoma: 0 days since our last national embarrassment. 

Also, Carole definitely killed her husband.

 

I haven't watched it yet, so I will withhold judgment. It is worth noting, however, that a counter narrative has been offered

https://www.buzzfeed.com/eleanorbate/tiger-king-netflix-carole-baskin-joe-exotic

That link is full of odd things that are worth reading. One of those details is that Eric Goode, one of the folks involved in the series, has strong reservations about how it turned out. I guess the original idea was Blackfish for big cats....

Trying not to post a spoiler, so I'll leave the name out:

Several people say that one of the characters strangled his ex-wife, but they never actually say if this means strangled to death, or choked to unconsciousness, or what. I've googled it and can't find a solid answer. Anyone know for sure?

Seems as if it would be a bigger deal had this been a murder and not an assault, etc.

Big Cat Rescue is close to me but I've never been. Always wanted to.

They have a pretty fun YouTube Feed.

Haven't finished the whole thing yet, but I have a few observations:

-It seems like everyone involved with big cats is a giant shiny happy person. Must be a prerequisite to big cat ownership. 

-Carole 1000% killed her husband. No question.

-How is Joe Exotic not from Florida? He IS Florida Man personified. This is the most shocking thing out of the whole series.

-Every one of these people, save for the drug dealer dude, is a cult leader. How they accomplished this is beyond me. They pay their people pennies (save for Carole, who pays them nothing) and they still come back for more. Hell, that lady that works for Joe gave up her goddamn ARM to go back to work 5 days later!!!

All of this is indeed like a train wreck. So, so hard to ignore.

 

Just wow 

Tony Sestito said:

Haven't finished the whole thing yet, but I have a few observations:

-It seems like everyone involved with big cats is a giant shiny happy person. Must be a prerequisite to big cat ownership. 

-Carole 1000% killed her husband. No question.

-How is Joe Exotic not from Florida? He IS Florida Man personified. This is the most shocking thing out of the whole series.

-Every one of these people, save for the drug dealer dude, is a cult leader. How they accomplished this is beyond me. They pay their people pennies (save for Carole, who pays them nothing) and they still come back for more. Hell, that lady that works for Joe gave up her goddamn ARM to go back to work 5 days later!!!

All of this is indeed like a train wreck. So, so hard to ignore.

 

The thing I've noticed about specialist groups. Gun guys, car guys, animal guys, whatever- the more specific and/or exotic the thing, the crazier the subset. For instance, I like cats. Like, regular ass house cats. They're cheap, easy to deal with, and nice to pet. Then there's the specific breed people. Exotic shorthair, Persian, Russian blue, whatever. The deeper down that hole you get, the more insane the owner. And then if you start branching off cats into weirder E36 M3- ferrets as an example, the owners are even more nuts. Buy the time you land at the people that have tigers or king cobras or any of that really scary E36 M3, you've fallen down a well of insanity that even Lassie is like "you know what? berkeley Timmy. He got his own stupid ass stuck". That's where we are with tiger people. 

Just finished the series last night and...what the actual berkeley ? It didn't dawn on me until I saw the clip from John Oliver, but I remember seeing the campaign video from Joe's 2016 presidential bid back at that time and though there was no way in hell that was a real person. Uh, guess I was wrong lol.

Tony's comment on them all being cult leaders is spot on, the way Joe and the guru dude with five wives in particular seek out and prey upon the young and vulnerable is uncanny. Not that the rest of them are any better, just those two in particular seemed extra cult-like. And Carol 1000% killed her husband.

Also, I'm totally dressing up as Joe Exotic for Halloween this year.

Mr_Asa said:

What I wanna know is why no one told Joe's ex hubby to put a shirt on

Because he's the real life Randy from Trailer Park Boys, except he's addicted to meth instead of cheeseburgers. 

Tony Sestito said:

Haven't finished the whole thing yet, but I have a few observations:

-It seems like everyone involved with big cats is a giant shiny happy person. Must be a prerequisite to big cat ownership. 

-Carole 1000% killed her husband. No question.

-How is Joe Exotic not from Florida? He IS Florida Man personified. This is the most shocking thing out of the whole series.

-Every one of these people, save for the drug dealer dude, is a cult leader. How they accomplished this is beyond me. They pay their people pennies (save for Carole, who pays them nothing) and they still come back for more. Hell, that lady that works for Joe gave up her goddamn ARM to go back to work 5 days later!!!

All of this is indeed like a train wreck. So, so hard to ignore.

 

My friend and I were chatting about this the other day, between An Innocent Man and now Tiger King, I loathe to think what the outside world thinks of us Okies.

Tony Sestito said:

-How is Joe Exotic not from Florida? He IS Florida Man personified. This is the most shocking thing out of the whole series.

 

90% of "Florida Man" stories are of transplants to Florida from the Midwest. Also have you ever been to Oklahoma? 

I don't want to put too many spoilers in here, but I don't think Joe himself was addicted to meth... note that he is basically the only living member of his posse to not be conspicuously missing teeth.  The other guy and gal have a cult of personality situations going (more so the multiple wives guy), Joe was pretty clearly just plying his people with drugs they didn't have the ability to aquire any other way.  The thing that really clinched that dymnamic in my mind was the three man marriage.  If you haven't gotten to the twist on that one, just wait for it...

(not) WilD (Matt) said:

I don't want to put too many spoilers in here, but I don't think Joe himself was addicted to meth... note that he is basically the only living member of his posse to not be conspicuously missing teeth.  The other guy and gal have a cult of personality situations going (more so the multiple wives guy), Joe was pretty clearly just plying his people with drugs they didn't have the ability to aquire any other way.  The thing that really clinched that dymnamic in my mind was the three man marriage.  If you haven't gotten to the twist on that one, just wait for it...

I can't believe they showed that footage. 

DirtyBird222 said:

Tony Sestito said:

-How is Joe Exotic not from Florida? He IS Florida Man personified. This is the most shocking thing out of the whole series.

 

90% of "Florida Man" stories are of transplants to Florida from the Midwest. Also have you ever been to Oklahoma? 

 

That's a good point. And no, I've never been there. In fact, the only people I've ever met from OK were a Native American family that were friends with my cousins. The dad was the leader of my cousins' Boy Scout troop, and they had moved to MA for a while. They were super awesome people. Their kids were really nice; they were fascinating to talk to as an 8 year old kid. They ended up moving back there years ago.

Mndsm said:

Tony Sestito said:

Haven't finished the whole thing yet, but I have a few observations:

-It seems like everyone involved with big cats is a giant shiny happy person. Must be a prerequisite to big cat ownership. 

-Carole 1000% killed her husband. No question.

-How is Joe Exotic not from Florida? He IS Florida Man personified. This is the most shocking thing out of the whole series.

-Every one of these people, save for the drug dealer dude, is a cult leader. How they accomplished this is beyond me. They pay their people pennies (save for Carole, who pays them nothing) and they still come back for more. Hell, that lady that works for Joe gave up her goddamn ARM to go back to work 5 days later!!!

All of this is indeed like a train wreck. So, so hard to ignore.

 

The thing I've noticed about specialist groups. Gun guys, car guys, animal guys, whatever- the more specific and/or exotic the thing, the crazier the subset. For instance, I like cats. Like, regular ass house cats. They're cheap, easy to deal with, and nice to pet. Then there's the specific breed people. Exotic shorthair, Persian, Russian blue, whatever. The deeper down that hole you get, the more insane the owner. And then if you start branching off cats into weirder E36 M3- ferrets as an example, the owners are even more nuts. Buy the time you land at the people that have tigers or king cobras or any of that really scary E36 M3, you've fallen down a well of insanity that even Lassie is like "you know what? berkeley Timmy. He got his own stupid ass stuck". That's where we are with tiger people. 

100% true. We were involved in a dog training club when we got our dog. Everyone worshipped the head trainer. He was a weird dude, but not anything like this. He helped train dogs for the Westminister Dog Show, so people worshipped him. He also told us our dog was un-trainable, but we kept at it and won him over. She even participated at one of his dog shows and did better than some of the fancy dogs, which was a nice middle finger to all the doubters.

Car clubs are very similar. Perfect example from a few years back: there was a guy over on NASIOC named Uncle Scotty. Since he was an older guy, people thought of him as an "elder statesman" of the forum and blindly listened to his "advice". His most famous contribution was "Uncle Scotty's Cocktail" which was a mix of 4-5 different types of transmission gear oil that would "bulletproof" your early WRX 5-speed. Even I fell for it and tried it. Probably did a lot more harm than good. Eventually, his gimmick wore out and he was banned from the forum for various reasons.

DirtyBird222 said:

Tony Sestito said:

-How is Joe Exotic not from Florida? He IS Florida Man personified. This is the most shocking thing out of the whole series.

 

90% of "Florida Man" stories are of transplants to Florida from the Midwest. Also have you ever been to Oklahoma? 

 

Never been, but a buddy was stationed there.  He played wingman for his friend one night, the girls came home with them and they all wanted to keep drinking to keep the party going.

The girl my buddy's friend picked up says "half shots for me, I'm pregnant."

That's my Oklahoma story.

In reply to DirtyBird222 :

Oklahoma is not the Midwest. Nope nope 

oklahmoa is a plains state. 
 

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-states-are-in-the-midwest/

Fueled by Caffeine said:

In reply to DirtyBird222 :

Oklahoma is not the Midwest. Nope nope 

 

oklahmoa is a plains state. 
 

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/what-states-are-in-the-midwest/

I don't really think of Oklahoma as Midwest just because of the culture here. It feels more like Texas' insecure younger brother. Add in dash of conspiratorial mindset.

Anyone think Joe was set up?  At least partially?

Mr_Asa said:

Anyone think Joe was set up?  At least partially?

Without question. Jeff and James set him up to get Joe's zoo. And Jeff left James out in the cold. James is gonna fry Jeff. He mad. 

I don't need to know how you trained the animals, I need to know how you got those women trained like that. 
 

I just binge watched it. Just wow.