aircooled wrote: How about: - The ability to see what is around you. Many old cars had almost 100% visibility, new ones, not so much. - The ability to get in a hot car as a passenger and ROLL DOWN THE DAMN WINDOW!!! - Similar to the above and what others have stated, the "isolated cocoon" environment that is considered the standard for car interiors.
What cars won't let the passenger roll down the window?
I think its too easy for people to turn on the window lock and never turn it off.
The other issue is windows just getting much smaller with beltline increases. We used to be able to hang out whole arm out the window, now you'd have to cram your head against the roof to do that.
neon4891 wrote: In reply to Curmudgeon: I know the 9th gen F series(f150 92-96, f250 '98) had vent windows. IIRC, it was the last full size truck with them, last year for GM was '87, Dodge was '93.
'97 F150 does not 
Keith Tanner wrote:aircooled wrote: How about: - The ability to see what is around you. Many old cars had almost 100% visibility, new ones, not so much. - The ability to get in a hot car as a passenger and ROLL DOWN THE DAMN WINDOW!!! - Similar to the above and what others have stated, the "isolated cocoon" environment that is considered the standard for car interiors.What cars won't let the passenger roll down the window?
any that are electric powered … without the key … no breeze 
I miss having rear windows that go all the way down
and gauges … water temp (actual temp, not an idiot light that's a needle rather than a light) and oil pressure … to me are essential ..
wbjones wrote: any that are electric powered … without the key … no breeze
Yes. Effectively you have to wait until they start the car to roll the window down.
wbjones wrote:Keith Tanner wrote:any that are electric powered … without the key … no breezeaircooled wrote: How about: - The ability to see what is around you. Many old cars had almost 100% visibility, new ones, not so much. - The ability to get in a hot car as a passenger and ROLL DOWN THE DAMN WINDOW!!! - Similar to the above and what others have stated, the "isolated cocoon" environment that is considered the standard for car interiors.What cars won't let the passenger roll down the window?
So you sit in hot cars when they're just parked? Weirdo 
It's not like power windows are a new thing - although my '66 Cadillac has a key override on the driver's armrest, you hold down a switch and the windows work. Pretty intelligent, really. I don't recall if it's on the other seats or not.
Anyhow, if the car's not running it's not moving. Either get out or just open the door for a really big breeze. This is not a challenging non-problem to overcome.
Having the rear windows go all the way down is purely a matter of packaging. The window has to go into the door, and if the rear wheel intrudes on the shape of the door then it also affects how far the window can go into said door. Solutions are to restrict the size of the moving glass (pretty common) or restrict how far the window goes. Nothing new there, that's been the case as long as windows have been going into doors.
when I go in some where and leave my Mom in the car, she often has need of the window … not the door to be opened (parking spaces don't always allow for wide open doors) and I often forget to leave her a key … plus at her age and reasoning ability, just having the key wouldn't mean that she could figure out how to open the window
at 90 she can't just get out and stand around
if all it took was that override like you mentioned, I'm pretty sure i could "teach" her how to ….
aircooled wrote: - The ability to see what is around you. Many old cars had almost 100% visibility, new ones, not so much.
1000x THIS. I would much rather see and avoid an accident than simply survive it. I was just driving my 2000 Grand Caravan the other day, to meet the insurance adjuster who totaled it. On the way home I was thinking about how wonderfully wide the field of view is, and lamenting that whatever I replace it with will likely have 20-30% larger blind spots.
You can blame some of that on the big burly pillars that are there for inverted operation.
No one has mentioned the antenna yet?
jamscal wrote: No one has mentioned the antenna yet?
All of my cars still have them, even if they are stubby and crap. They're still around... they just look like fins now.
wbjones wrote: when I go in some where and leave my Mom in the car, she often has need of the window … not the door to be opened (parking spaces don't always allow for wide open doors) and I often forget to leave her a key … plus at her age and reasoning ability, just having the key wouldn't mean that she could figure out how to open the window at 90 she can't just get out and stand around if all it took was that override like you mentioned, I'm pretty sure i could "teach" her how to ….
Sounds like the problem is you, locking your poor Mom in the car without even opening a window
yep … I'm a bad son
Keith Tanner wrote: Having the rear windows go all the way down is purely a matter of packaging. The window has to go into the door, and if the rear wheel intrudes on the shape of the door then it also affects how far the window can go into said door. Solutions are to restrict the size of the moving glass (pretty common) or restrict how far the window goes. Nothing new there, that's been the case as long as windows have been going into doors.
I think it was in the late 80s that GM had a Malibu where the rear window did not roll own at all.. all rear seat passengers got was a small "butterfly" window to give them the illusion of a breeze
I can confirm that the 1978 Oldsmobile Cutlass Aeroback had that design. Guess what my family had for about 7 years when I was a kid? No AC, either.
It replaced a VW Type 3 fastback. Guess what? Rear windows didn't go down. No AC. In Australia.
Before that they had a 1973 RX-4 with vinyl seats. The rear windows didn't go down there either. No AC.
Damn modern cars.
Full sized spare tire.
Hatch glass that opens seperatly from the hatch on a wagon, SUV, or minivan. Very few do that anymore.
Cross bars for the cargo rack. If the vehicle comes with rails, why do you need to buy the cross bars separately?
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