So, I had to do an oil change the other day on my S-Dime. Had just picked up the oil and filter from Wally Mart. I was then reminded as to why I didn't like doing this...
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You can see just how much cheaper the WM piece is made. You would have thought I would have remembered this little bit and taken caution when the filter p/n was PF47E and not PF47.
Makes me wonder if ACDelco even has a hand in making these?
how is it made cheaper?
It looks like the part number is different, so they wouldn't be the same part. Maybe the E means extra capacity?
Whoa. Seriously. Whoa. I'll bet they don't, actually. Look up the Snapper (simplicity) vs Walmart piece to se an example of that garbage. I don't step foot in those places.
Maroon92 wrote: how is it made cheaper? It looks like the part number is different, so they wouldn't be the same part. Maybe the E means extra capacity?
Seriously? First off, it's smaller, implying lower flow or increased velocity through the media. Also, the crimp seam is smaller, presumably due to thinner metal used in the casing. The "E" undoubtedly means "Economy".
Thanks. Turns out I picked up a couple P47e's on sale at WalMart the last time I bought oil. I just went to the kitchen to compare them with a regular P47. The E's seem to be a thinner gauge metal and feel noticeably lighter. I guess I got what I paid for this time. Even the Cavalier deserves better than this if i'm going to go through the trouble of figuring out where the oil filter is.
Might make another 710 change sooner than I should just swap in a filter from another place.
You can see that top plate is thin as compared to the non E unit. It even looks different inside with the drain back valve.
Wally wrote: Thanks. Turns out I picked up a couple P47e's on sale at WalMart the last time I bought oil. I just went to the kitchen to compare them with a regular P47. The E's seem to be a thinner gauge metal and feel noticeably lighter. I guess I got what I paid for this time. Even the Cavalier deserves better than this if i'm going to go through the trouble of figuring out where the oil filter is.
If it's the LN2 (2.2 push rod), reach in from behind the passenger tire and up over the trans. It's hidden. Might be able to get to it from the top depending on how skinny your arm is.
1988RedT2 wrote: First off, it's smaller, implying lower flow or increased velocity through the media. Also, the crimp seam is smaller, presumably due to thinner metal used in the casing. The "E" undoubtedly means "Economy".
Sure. And as long as it's clearly a different part # (and not just a different number buried in a SKU#), I'm failing to see the point of the original post.
keethrax wrote:1988RedT2 wrote: First off, it's smaller, implying lower flow or increased velocity through the media. Also, the crimp seam is smaller, presumably due to thinner metal used in the casing. The "E" undoubtedly means "Economy".Sure. And as long as it's clearly a different part # (and not just a different number buried in a SKU#), I'm failing to see the point of the original post.
That's the issue. I'd bet money that the E part is the same SKU as the real McCoy, and that it is made by and for WM at the lowest price possible.
AquaHusky wrote:Wally wrote: Thanks. Turns out I picked up a couple P47e's on sale at WalMart the last time I bought oil. I just went to the kitchen to compare them with a regular P47. The E's seem to be a thinner gauge metal and feel noticeably lighter. I guess I got what I paid for this time. Even the Cavalier deserves better than this if i'm going to go through the trouble of figuring out where the oil filter is.If it's the LN2 (2.2 push rod), reach in from behind the passenger tire and up over the trans. It's hidden. Might be able to get to it from the top depending on how skinny your arm is.
My fat short arm doest really fit either way. Luckily the car doesn't mind infrequent service.
Why don't you blame AC Delco for making a cheaper filter? I don't see Walmart's name on that filter anywhere. They just sold it because you wanted an AC Delco filter instead of a Supertech, which is probably a better filter anyway.
And if you gave a E36 M3 about your five dime, you would be using filters marked "Datsun" or whatever, and probably "Toyota" like I use on my whole fleet instead of a cheap filter from a big box store.
Wally wrote:AquaHusky wrote:My fat short arm doest really fit either way. Luckily the car doesn't mind infrequent service.Wally wrote: Thanks. Turns out I picked up a couple P47e's on sale at WalMart the last time I bought oil. I just went to the kitchen to compare them with a regular P47. The E's seem to be a thinner gauge metal and feel noticeably lighter. I guess I got what I paid for this time. Even the Cavalier deserves better than this if i'm going to go through the trouble of figuring out where the oil filter is.If it's the LN2 (2.2 push rod), reach in from behind the passenger tire and up over the trans. It's hidden. Might be able to get to it from the top depending on how skinny your arm is.
I know I always hated seeing a J-Body roll in with an auto. Meant I was about to have "fun".
Dr. Hess wrote: Why don't you blame AC Delco for making a cheaper filter? I don't see Walmart's name on that filter anywhere. They just sold it because you wanted an AC Delco filter instead of a Supertech, which is probably a better filter anyway. And if you gave a E36 M3 about your five dime, you would be using filters marked "Datsun" or whatever, and probably "Toyota" like I use on my whole fleet instead of a cheap filter from a big box store.
S-Dime. Not five n dime.
I would guess walmart said they wanted to pay 50 cents per filter,AC delco said 75 cents and walmart came back and said - well then we are not selling your filters so AC made a filter they could sell for 50 cents.
ACDelco has announced a redesigned Original Equipment (OE) oil filter that offers ACDelco's exclusive Duraguard® media in a smaller package.
The new OE filter applications PF46E, PF47E, PF52E and PF61E will be installed in applicable new GM models.
The new oil filter features:
• Increased efficiency and higher burst and collapse strength (Fig. 5, A) • A new Nylon core that provides better flow characteristics and improved collapse strength (Fig. 5, B) • A full cover baseplate that allows easy installation in blind applications (Fig. 5, C) • Duraguard media, ACDelco's trademarked synthetic cellulose-blended media that efficiently filters particles as small as 10 microns -- 1/3 the width of a human hair -- to ensure a clean supply of oil to engine components (Fig. 5, D) • A combination relief and anti-drainback valve that prevents dry starts and assures oil flow (where applicable) (Fig. 5, E)
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In addition to the new OE design oil filter applications, the original filters (PF46, PF47, PF52 and PF61) continue to be available in a classic design.
ACDelco Part Number with Corresponding GM Part Number
Classic Design PF46; 19256041 PF47; 19256042 PF52; 19256043 PF61; 19256044
New OE Design PF46E; 19210283 PF47E; 19210284 PF52E; 19210285 PF61E; 19210286
For more information about the new ACDelco oil filters, refer to ACDelco bulletin #09D-142.
ahh someone always has to ruin it with actual facts... 
Smaller filter is actually better? Problem?
Seeing as the actual GM part #'s (not the P47 vs. P47E part, either) are different...
19210284 vs. 19256042
They ARE NOT the same filter. They might have the same applications... but they are not the same filter.
Wally wrote: ... and feel noticeably lighter.
Performance part!
It's good to see that this is ho it's going to be from now on. I'll have to watch out for those ''E'' filters no. Thanks turbojunker for the facts. Looks like I'll have to just buy from Napa now, no matter what.
If you buy the same part number and see this, then let us know.
AquaHusky wrote:Dr. Hess wrote: Why don't you blame AC Delco for making a cheaper filter? I don't see Walmart's name on that filter anywhere. They just sold it because you wanted an AC Delco filter instead of a Supertech, which is probably a better filter anyway. And if you gave a E36 M3 about your five dime, you would be using filters marked "Datsun" or whatever, and probably "Toyota" like I use on my whole fleet instead of a cheap filter from a big box store.S-Dime. Not five n dime.
If you put a "Datsun" oil filter on your S-10 I think you're allowed to plaster it w/ "JDM" stickers.
Other than the name, those filters are not even related to ACDelco. They are manufactured by Champ Labs to Champ Labs specifications, and since the same machinery makes Motorcraft filters, using the same components, they probably meet Ford specs, too. If someone engineers a change in the product, then Champ Labs explains the changes to GM and Ford, and the product changes. GM SPO and Ford Service Parts just happen to buy their filters from a company who also sells to WM.
turbojunker actually posted the correct facts. The P47E filter is mainly for newer GMT900 trucks with DOD (displacement on demand). They'll still work on your S10, F-body, Corvette, and other applications. No need to get your panties in a wad and blame the Wal-Marts. Oh and BTW I'm back working for the General instead of the big \H/ if you want anymore info on this topic or any other.
DirtyBird222 wrote: turbojunker actually posted the correct facts. The P47E filter is mainly for newer GMT900 trucks with DOD (displacement on demand). They'll still work on your S10, F-body, Corvette, and other applications. No need to get your panties in a wad and blame the Wal-Marts. Oh and BTW I'm back working for the General instead of the big \H/ if you want anymore info on this topic or any other.
So, this redesigned filter would filter things out better than the old design you think? With the DoD valvebody passages and what have you.
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