GRM it is time for a new tire test please!

Ok so the last tire test was pretty much all extreme summer tires, unlike previous tests that mixed in all seasons. I have noticed that GRM has selected the BFGS SS A/S on their project cars(makes sense with a 29.46 lap time vs a 29.12 for the Bridgestone RE11 tested within a few weeks of each other on the same car with the same size), so what about some other untested tires like the exclusive ControlContact A/S for us budget racers. Maybe even the reborn Falkens by Ohtsu FP6000 or asymmetric version FP7000 or the Michelin PS3 A/S HR. I'm sure these tests are costly, so why not take up donations, I'm sure there would be alot of enthusiastic donations. Thanks for being the best sports car magazine for budget racers none the less.

Thanks for the note and kind words. Generally we aim our tire tests that those seeking the fastest lap times, so we tend to concentrate on R-comps our extreme performance tires.

So, if the masses could choose the next round of tires to be tested, what would it be? (And I'm going to move this to the general forum to see what kind of feedback we get.)

More of the general use lower buck tire group. Say keep the compound rating over 400. What us enthusiasts use to have a bit of fun but still drive to work on. Also wet traction would be of interest. It is a very important factor for me when making a tire purchase. I will give up a little ultimate grip to gain wet performance. I hate white knuckling it in the wet on a otherwise good tire.

It'd be interesting to see if any low cost (GT radial?) tires punch above their weight for folks on a tighter budget, which could also be a cautionary tale if it turns out that they wear too quickly or something.

Unless there's a better all-season than the Continental DWS...

That said, are we Consumer Reports now?

Not interested in all seasons or the like.

Would be interested in seeing how the Federal 595 RSR, GT Radial UHP1, and GT Radial SX2 stack up against the 200tw darlings.

Swank Force One wrote: Would be interested in seeing how the Federal 595 RSR, GT Radial UHP1, and GT Radial SX2 stack up against the 200tw darlings.

This right here.

^ yes

I say again, the Bridgestone RE-71 is berkeleying magic. Seriously, no comparison, no contest, it's the best thing going for "spirited" driving right now.

Of course it's going to come out soon that the TW rating should have been 60 not 200 but hey, make hay while the sun shines, right?

I'd be interested in a tire test for LeMons/Chump racing. Looking for grip and longevity on a roadcourse in a street tire with good dry and wet traction. I think that this would be beneficial to track day drivers and the typical GRM'ers daily driver,too.

Javelin wrote: I'd be interested in a tire test for LeMons/Chump racing. Looking for grip and longevity on a roadcourse in a street tire with good dry and wet traction. I think that this would be beneficial to track day drivers and the typical GRM'ers daily driver,too.

Some of this should be answered by the next issue's test--yes, rain testing, too!

dean1484 wrote: More of the general use lower buck tire group. Say keep the compound rating over 400. What us enthusiasts use to have a bit of fun but still drive to work on. Also wet traction would be of interest. It is a very important factor for me when making a tire purchase. I will give up a little ultimate grip to gain wet performance. I hate white knuckling it in the wet on a otherwise good tire.

MCarp22 wrote: It'd be interesting to see if any low cost (GT radial?) tires punch above their weight for folks on a tighter budget, which could also be a cautionary tale if it turns out that they wear too quickly or something.

kylini wrote: Unless there's a better all-season than the Continental DWS... That said, are we Consumer Reports now?

David S. Wallens wrote:

Javelin wrote: I'd be interested in a tire test for LeMons/Chump racing. Looking for grip and longevity on a roadcourse in a street tire with good dry and wet traction. I think that this would be beneficial to track day drivers and the typical GRM'ers daily driver,too.

Some of this should be answered by the next issue's test--yes, rain testing, too!

The thing is the best wet performance is from all seasons with more grooves and sipes. Even the rally racers "cut" their tires by hand for the rain. You might be surprised how good the newest tires I mentioned are in the dry and some new tires have yet to be tested like the Fuzion UHP Sport A/S, Kumho Ecsta 4x II, and Sumitomo HTR P02. If it were strictly a summer tire test I would be curious about the off brand tires that have never been tested.

FOUND A SITE WITH A TON OF TIRE TESTS AND STATS:

http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre-Tests/#summer

Euros seem to neglect testing the Extreme Performance tires, so GRM would definitely fill a niche. http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyre-Type/Passenger-Car-Summer-Extreme-Performance-Tyres/

Interesting test with the Yokos AD08: http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/2014-EVO-Max-Performance-Summer-Tyre-Test.htm

And the ContiForceContact: http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/2013-Auto-Bild-Track-Day-Semi-Slick-Tyre-Test.htm

And the Hankook Ventus S1 EVO2: http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/2012-Sport-Auto-Summer-Tyre-Test.htm

So the Nokian V and Nokian Z G2 placed 1st in a max tire test and are under $60 for a summer tire, just sayin for the tire junkies.

Which test and was it vs any of the extreme summer ones?

Jaynen wrote: Which test and was it vs any of the extreme summer ones?

Nokian Z G2 Test

Nokian V Test

Track day chart.

Extreme tire chart.

Max tire chart.

Swank Force One wrote: Not interested in all seasons or the like. Would be interested in seeing how the Federal 595 RSR, GT Radial UHP1, and GT Radial SX2 stack up against the 200tw darlings.

38th place UHP1

dean1484 wrote: More of the general use lower buck tire group. Say keep the compound rating over 400. What us enthusiasts use to have a bit of fun but still drive to work on. Also wet traction would be of interest. It is a very important factor for me when making a tire purchase. I will give up a little ultimate grip to gain wet performance. I hate white knuckling it in the wet on a otherwise good tire.

That's the tire class I refer to as "black and round".

I've actually beencomparing all-seasons for the '14 Maz6 - It's come down to these three:

Michelin Pilot Sport A/S3 - ($235per) best dry and wet grip, wears fast, mediocre in snow

Goodyear F1 Assym A/S - ($197 per) knife edge turn in (+ and - for DD), better in snow, better wearing, noisy

Nitto Motivo A/S - ($149per) good wet/dry grip, decent in snow, quiet, 60k warranty over 45k on the others, $80 cheaper Per Freaking Tire.

The Nittos only have one pro review that I've found, but it and almost all the customer reviews are good. Probably give them a shot

TBH, even though I'm in the market, I'm not sure reviewing that kind of tire would be the magazine's wheel house. I think some sort of comparison of super-budget summer performance, DD-and-autocross tires would be better - the best of the cheapest kind of thing.

ultraclyde wrote: I've actually beencomparing all-seasons for the '14 Maz6 - It's come down to these three: Michelin Pilot Sport A/S3 - ($235per) best dry and wet grip, wears fast, mediocre in snow Goodyear F1 Assym A/S - ($197 per) knife edge turn in (+ and - for DD), better in snow, better wearing, noisy Nitto Motivo A/S - ($149per) good wet/dry grip, decent in snow, quiet, 60k warranty over 45k on the others, $80 cheaper Per Freaking Tire. The Nittos only have one pro review that I've found, but it and almost all the customer reviews are good. Probably give them a shot TBH, even though I'm in the market, I'm not sure reviewing that kind of tire would be the magazine's wheel house. I think some sort of comparison of super-budget summer performance, DD-and-autocross tires would be better - the best of the cheapest kind of thing.

I would consider the new BFGoodrich G-FORCE COMP-2 A/S, CONTINENTAL EXTREMECONTACT DWS 06, SUMITOMO HTR A/S P02, and PIRELLI P ZERO ALL SEASON PLUS.

I wouldnt trust the Goodyears in the wet and Contis are known for being best in snow. I'm a purist so I would go for the directional BFGs at 108ea with the fastest lap time, 30.3. or you can get these on special.

I got the GT Radial Champiro UHP1's (225/50/16) as a replacement for my 8 year-old Z1 Star Specs (205/50/16) per recommendation from other autocrossers. Apparently they should be at similar grip levels, and for under $300 a set to my door, they will be perfect local event tires.

MINIzguy wrote: I got the GT Radial Champiro UHP1's (225/50/16) as a replacement for my 8 year-old Z1 Star Specs (205/50/16) per recommendation from other autocrossers. Apparently they should be at similar grip levels, and for under $300 a set to my door, they will be perfect local event tires.

You can't be serious, they placed 38th behind all these mediocre tires 2014 Auto Bild 50 Summer Tyre Shootout

I've been searching for tires for my 6 too as I'm about through the stock Yokohamas, leaning hard towards the new BFG G-Force. The reviews on Tire Rack makes it look like an awesome tire.

svxsti wrote:

ultraclyde wrote: I've actually beencomparing all-seasons for the '14 Maz6 - It's come down to these three: Michelin Pilot Sport A/S3 - ($235per) best dry and wet grip, wears fast, mediocre in snow Goodyear F1 Assym A/S - ($197 per) knife edge turn in (+ and - for DD), better in snow, better wearing, noisy Nitto Motivo A/S - ($149per) good wet/dry grip, decent in snow, quiet, 60k warranty over 45k on the others, $80 cheaper Per Freaking Tire. The Nittos only have one pro review that I've found, but it and almost all the customer reviews are good. Probably give them a shot TBH, even though I'm in the market, I'm not sure reviewing that kind of tire would be the magazine's wheel house. I think some sort of comparison of super-budget summer performance, DD-and-autocross tires would be better - the best of the cheapest kind of thing.

I would consider the new BFGoodrich G-FORCE COMP-2 A/S, CONTINENTAL EXTREMECONTACT DWS 06, SUMITOMO HTR A/S P02, and PIRELLI P ZERO ALL SEASON PLUS. I wouldnt trust the Goodyears in the wet and Contis are known for being best in snow. I'm a purist so I would go for the directional BFGs at 108ea with the fastest lap time, 30.3. or you can get these on special.