Quickest "all motor" Challenge pass?

Does anyone know what the fastest "all motor" Challenge pass is? No nitrous,no turbo, no supercharger? Who? When?

I don't know the answer...this thought came to me at 3:00 AM....like most of the other "important" thoughts I have.

Dunno. I'm sure it's one of the nelson's creations. Did the datsun have spray? You can check out last year's times here though:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1g9m0WVLD_7OTtvuH0oEDS_Muv6iAu-hrIKiLv7plyCk/edit#gid=0

I've often wondered this.  Lots/all of the really fast stuff is turbo/nitrous.  In 2016 i made a 12.3 no bottle pass in my datsun

In reply to CrustyRedXpress (Forum Supporter) :

The Datsun had nitrous. I'm not up on some of Andrew's earlier creations, so it wouldn't surprise me if it were one of his cars.

Well, Calvin says Bugzilla 10.396 @ 124 mph. I should have asked there first.

my v8 240sx all motor went 12.8 @109

99.9% sure the Nova was all motor back in 2004. ( Andrew and company's first car ) I think we ran a 10.86?  Andy, Little help here?  LOL

In reply to sanyarcosean :

nova went 10.55 IIRC

We have details on many aspects of the event.  Hope sharing this does not come across the wrong way

Its just data

In reply to wheels777 :

wow. Does turbo include supercharged or have there really been no supercharged challenge cars in the 11s? I love all the data you keep on the event. 

Also, we might need a new sticker or something that says "its just data". I love it

Robbie (Forum Supporter) said:

In reply to wheels777 :

wow. Does turbo include supercharged or have there really been no supercharged challenge cars in the 11s? I love all the data you keep on the event. 

Also, we might need a new sticker or something that says "its just data". I love it

Turbo. 
I would not recommend a supercharger for the challenge. 
 

and we know how to make them work...

but you have to kill so much timing do to the discharge temps. Without timing you kill power.  So you are forced to add a method to drop IATs. If you address that...you kill your budget. 
 

In for a "GRM It's Just Data" sticker!

I enjoy digging thru old results. Is there an official database, of is it all in the magazines and the Nelson's records?
Fastest N/A, turbo, n2o are there, but what about highest overall placing v8, 6cyl, or 4banger? Highest placing half budget? Etc, etc I could pour over old results for days...

In reply to gumby :

We sent them our spread sheets a few years ago so that they had records to work with.  We did not track all the different awards. Primarily focused on the dynamics and Concour. 

wheels777 said:

We have details on many aspects of the event.  Hope sharing this does not come across the wrong way

Rank	Finish	#	Team Rep	Year	Manu	Model	ET	Event
1	6	7	Andrew Nelson	1974	Datsun	260Z	9.521	2017	Nitrous
2	7	7	Calvin Nelson	1980	Pontiac	Sunbird	9.847	2019	Turbo
3	1	7	Andrew Nelson	1947	Volkswagen	Beetle	10.263	2016	Nitrous
4	1	7	Andrew Nelson	1968	Volkswagen	Beetle	10.396	2015	NA
5	2	7	Andrew Nelson	1968	Volkswagen	Beetle	10.571	2008	NA
6	9	7	Andrew Nelson	1974	Datsun	260Z	10.572	2006	NA
***	2	7	Andrew Nelson	1968	Volkswagen	Beetle	10.582	2011	NA
7	11	7	Andrew Nelson	1977	Chevy	Nova	10.659	2004	NA
8	9	7	Andrew Nelson	1969	MG	MGB	10.678	2010	NA
9	3	7	Andrew Nelson	1980	Pontiac	Sunbird	10.776	2014	Nitrous
10	2	10	Matt Step	1989	Mitsubishi	Mirage GT	10.820	2010	Turbo
11	11	7	Andrew Nelson	1947	Volkswagen	Beetle	10.821	2009	NA
12	6	57	Calvin Nelson	1963	Studebaker	Lark	10.924	2019	Turbo
13	1	14	Stephen DeFayette	1988	Mazda	RX-7	10.926	2006	Nitrous
14	11	7	Andrew Nelson	1947	VW	Beetle	10.950	2013	NA
15	4	57	Calvin Nelson	1980	Pontiac	Sunbird	11.010	2017	Turbo
16	1	50	Ed Malle	1987	Ford	Mustang	11.031	2014	Nitrous
17	2	49	Ed Malle	1987	Ford	Mustang	11.103	2013	Nitrous
18	2	53	Ed Malle	1995	Ford	Mustang	11.15	2019	Turbo
19	1	63	Erik Lawson		Datsun	280Zx	11.19	2004	Nitrous
20	4	08	Vince Coleman	1969	MG	B	11.249	2014	NA
21	1	8	Patrick Culkin	1988	Dodge	Shadow ES	11.319	2013	Turbo
22	11	7	Andrew Nelson	1962	Fiat	118G	11.465	2005	NA
23	13	68	Matt Step	1989	Plymouth	Colt E	11.468	2006	Turbo
24	3	63	Erik Lawson		Datsun	280ZX	11.486	2003	Nitrous
25	4	37	Matt Step	1990	Plymouth	Colt	11.567	2008	Turbo
26	5	57	Calvin Nelson	1963	Studebaker	Lark	11.622	2016	NA
27	2	2	Cliff Sebring		Dodge	Omni	11.629	2003	Turbo
28	4	45	Stephen DeFayette	1988	Mazda	RX7	11.632	2005	Unk
29	2	95	Ed Malle	1995	Ford	Mustang	11.636	2017	Unk
30	4	21	Patrick Culkin	1988	Dodge	Aries	11.640	2010	Turbo
31	1	58	Jeremy Butts	1988	Mazda	RX7	11.676	2005	Unk
32	1		Patrick Culkin	1988	Dodge	Aries	11.694	2012	Turbo
33	5	18	Nathan Crisman	1990	Eagle	Talon TSi	11.737	2004	Unk
34	6	25	Patrick Culkin	1988	Dodge	Shadow	11.745	2008	Turbo
35	2	22	Patrick Culkin	1988	Dodge	Shadow	11.750	2009	Turbo
36	9	17	Steve Cammick		Ford	Mustang	11.797	2004	Unk
37	1	75	Adam Jabaay	1988	Honda	CRX	11.840	2009	Unk
38	3	99	Cliff Sebring		Dodge	GLH	11.846	2005	Turbo
39	5	67	Matt Step	1990	Eagle	Talon Tsi	11.954	2005	Turbo
40	3	47	Lon Zeigler	1969	MG	B	11.957	2016	NA
41	2	0	Cliff Sebring		Dodge	Omni	11.959	2004	Turbo
42	3	75	Adam Jabaay	1988	Honda	CRX	11.987	2008	Unk
43	4	21	Matt Wojtkowiak	1994	Pontiac	Trans Am	11.994	2013	Unk
44	5	17	Cliff Sebring	1996	Plymouth	Neon	11.998	2015	Turbo

Its just data

 

Congratulations to Matt Step and Stephen DeFayette for making it into the 10's without being a Nelson 

I think I'll just sell off my Challenge parts hoard and buy a new set of golf clubs...........

or, try and win next year's sub class, the "Non-Nelson" class.

or figure out how to 11.009 to make the "top 15" passes ever.  

In reply to DeadSkunk (Warren) :

How do golf clubs make a car faster?

Quit your quittin'. Pick your goal not the bench. 
 

10.999 or better!!!

Keith Tanner said:

wheels777 said:

We have details on many aspects of the event.  Hope sharing this does not come across the wrong way

Rank	Finish	#	Team Rep	Year	Manu	Model	ET	Event
1	6	7	Andrew Nelson	1974	Datsun	260Z	9.521	2017	Nitrous
2	7	7	Calvin Nelson	1980	Pontiac	Sunbird	9.847	2019	Turbo
3	1	7	Andrew Nelson	1947	Volkswagen	Beetle	10.263	2016	Nitrous
4	1	7	Andrew Nelson	1968	Volkswagen	Beetle	10.396	2015	NA
5	2	7	Andrew Nelson	1968	Volkswagen	Beetle	10.571	2008	NA
6	9	7	Andrew Nelson	1974	Datsun	260Z	10.572	2006	NA
***	2	7	Andrew Nelson	1968	Volkswagen	Beetle	10.582	2011	NA
7	11	7	Andrew Nelson	1977	Chevy	Nova	10.659	2004	NA
8	9	7	Andrew Nelson	1969	MG	MGB	10.678	2010	NA
9	3	7	Andrew Nelson	1980	Pontiac	Sunbird	10.776	2014	Nitrous
10	2	10	Matt Step	1989	Mitsubishi	Mirage GT	10.820	2010	Turbo
11	11	7	Andrew Nelson	1947	Volkswagen	Beetle	10.821	2009	NA
12	6	57	Calvin Nelson	1963	Studebaker	Lark	10.924	2019	Turbo
13	1	14	Stephen DeFayette	1988	Mazda	RX-7	10.926	2006	Nitrous
14	11	7	Andrew Nelson	1947	VW	Beetle	10.950	2013	NA
15	4	57	Calvin Nelson	1980	Pontiac	Sunbird	11.010	2017	Turbo
16	1	50	Ed Malle	1987	Ford	Mustang	11.031	2014	Nitrous
17	2	49	Ed Malle	1987	Ford	Mustang	11.103	2013	Nitrous
18	2	53	Ed Malle	1995	Ford	Mustang	11.15	2019	Turbo
19	1	63	Erik Lawson		Datsun	280Zx	11.19	2004	Nitrous
20	4	08	Vince Coleman	1969	MG	B	11.249	2014	NA
21	1	8	Patrick Culkin	1988	Dodge	Shadow ES	11.319	2013	Turbo
22	11	7	Andrew Nelson	1962	Fiat	118G	11.465	2005	NA
23	13	68	Matt Step	1989	Plymouth	Colt E	11.468	2006	Turbo
24	3	63	Erik Lawson		Datsun	280ZX	11.486	2003	Nitrous
25	4	37	Matt Step	1990	Plymouth	Colt	11.567	2008	Turbo
26	5	57	Calvin Nelson	1963	Studebaker	Lark	11.622	2016	NA
27	2	2	Cliff Sebring		Dodge	Omni	11.629	2003	Turbo
28	4	45	Stephen DeFayette	1988	Mazda	RX7	11.632	2005	Unk
29	2	95	Ed Malle	1995	Ford	Mustang	11.636	2017	Turbo
30	4	21	Patrick Culkin	1988	Dodge	Aries	11.640	2010	Turbo
31	1	58	Jeremy Butts	1988	Mazda	RX7	11.676	2005	Unk
32	1		Patrick Culkin	1988	Dodge	Aries	11.694	2012	Turbo
33	5	18	Nathan Crisman	1990	Eagle	Talon TSi	11.737	2004	Unk
34	6	25	Patrick Culkin	1988	Dodge	Shadow	11.745	2008	Turbo
35	2	22	Patrick Culkin	1988	Dodge	Shadow	11.750	2009	Turbo
36	9	17	Steve Cammick		Ford	Mustang	11.797	2004	Unk
37	1	75	Adam Jabaay	1988	Honda	CRX	11.840	2009	Unk
38	3	99	Cliff Sebring		Dodge	GLH	11.846	2005	Turbo
39	5	67	Matt Step	1990	Eagle	Talon Tsi	11.954	2005	Turbo
40	3	47	Lon Zeigler	1969	MG	B	11.957	2016	NA
41	2	0	Cliff Sebring		Dodge	Omni	11.959	2004	Turbo
42	3	75	Adam Jabaay	1988	Honda	CRX	11.987	2008	Unk
43	4	21	Matt Wojtkowiak	1994	Pontiac	Trans Am	11.994	2013	Unk
44	5	17	Cliff Sebring	1996	Plymouth	Neon	11.998	2015	Nitrous

Its just data

 

Congratulations to Matt Step and Stephen DeFayette for making it into the 10's without being a Nelson 

I have said many times that Mr DeFayette's car is top 3 all time Challenge cars. He built a 10 second car that was a top A-x car and won overall in 2006. All when the budget rules were way tougher than today's rule set. 

I wish they would have finished the analysis on which was the best All Time Challenge build. Statistically, that was easy to identify. But that included normalizing the A-x times. Regardless of the hair splits Stephan's RX-7 was amazing. 
 

and Westside car's......always inspiring!!!

My first Challenge I wanted to dislike the Nelson's cause they were the fast ones.

Wound up talking to this nice dude, who wound up being, yup, Andrew Nelson. Lol.

Now if the Nelson's figure out the curve thingy we will have to worry.

In reply to Bent-Valve (FS) :

Of the 8 different Challenge cars we have brought, 3 have been top 10 Auto-X efforts and Bugzilla ran 2nd in 2011. We just have a few more goals before we refocus on that discipline again... and more intently. 

In reply to wheels777 :

Just finished watching your latest build video on the PACCwards and read the first half of the build thread.

Holy Hot Hatch Batman! Nice work.

We should probably worry and get back to work building!

"It's just data" he says, while constructing a car designed specifically to remove the Mirage GT from the top 10 while simultaneously claiming the fastest FWD title at the challenge 

I am always in awe of the Nelson cars at the drags.  The image of the yellow coupe and the Studebaker lining up and simultaneously running unthinkably fast on their first passes in 2016 will forever be burned into my memory.

Bent-Valve (FS) said:

In reply to wheels777 :

Just finished watching your latest build video on the PACCwards and read the first half of the build thread.

Holy Hot Hatch Batman! Nice work.

We should probably worry and get back to work building!

 

Hope you enjoyed the video, liked and subscribed.  Calvin has a few more vids in the works.  The PACCwards stuff didn't get a lot of results so he dropped it.  Hopefully the change in format goes over well.  If so he.ll get more vids rolling.  The original format seamed to work well with the 4200 stuff and it clearly got the most action.

As far as getting busy....ahhh...Yaaaaaa.....life is too short to worry about the two  goofy clowns in York. 

It just came to me that the OP was asking a specific question.  Where do you want this thread to go?  Should it morf into a challenge drag race thread?  Or are you hoping for more info on the NA efforts for your car? 

It makes me very angry that i'm the guy that's a hair outside that list looking in.  I hate my 12.001 so much.  I should do something about that 

Patrick (Forum Supporter) said:

It makes me very angry that i'm the guy that's a hair outside that list looking in.  I hate my 12.001 so much.  I should do something about that 

Angry enough to build a corvair?

But to paraphrase the mighty ducks, you could have been a 12.003.