1967 International COE, Small Adventure

In reply to SaltyDog:

Now THAT is a cool story. Do you have any idea why they chose that foundry for the motorsports blocks? I had a low level metallurgy class once and we had a section on casting. Unfortunately the field trip to the foundry was a thing of the past by the time I was there. I've always been fascinated by the design aspect of casting. In the days before computers it was one of the ultimate 3D problems to be solved.

In reply to oldopelguy:

I'm pretty sure you and I talked about the rocket park at White Sands missile range, but for anyone who hasn't been there they have a V2 rocket on display with the side open. I'm no fan of what the V2 was designed for, but the craftsmanship is amazing. The things people built basically by hand two generations ago is astonishing.

In reply to 19Mustang70:

Of course McMaster Carr has them, they have everything. I think I need a good screw/thread gauge so I can identify the size and pitch of everything and then start making an order list. Any recommendations on the best tool for identifying what I have?

In reply to Kanterlane:

I'm sending you a PM. It should show up in the email you registered with. Let me know if it doesn't show up. And thanks.

NOHOME wrote: Other than your known history with fire, this looks like a lot of fun. https://www.youtube.com/embed/xIijYgvxW0g

I quoted this because it looks awesome, but you're right, I much prefer internal combustion.

In reply to mazdeuce:

At that time, the big yellow bulldozer company had extra capacity in their foundry. They were actively seeking customers to keep the foundry busy. Of course, the Motorsports blocks were produced in much smaller quantities than the production units, that GM's usual suppliers wouldn't be interested in producing them. The smaller numbers fit well into the foundry's capacity and method of operation.

I wish I could have gotten the blueprints when they became obsolete. The were actually BLUE prints with a lot of hand drawn and written features. They would have made great wallpaper for my garage.

I would hesitate to use allen headed bolts.

Most, though obviously not all, allen bolts are graded differently, and typically harder than grade 8, making them very bad for outdoor or corrosive environments.

A thread pitch gauge, calipers and Marks Std handbook or machinists handbook and you should be able to identify any screw/ bolt. All three are available through MSC. I have a set of std and metric Starrett pitch gauges I have used for over 20 years.

Thread Pitch Gauge.

mazdeuce wrote:

NOHOME wrote: Other than your known history with fire, this looks like a lot of fun. https://www.youtube.com/embed/xIijYgvxW0g

I quoted this because it looks awesome, but you're right, I much prefer internal combustion.

Considering I have two coked up TDI manifolds, I have to try this some day... Two of my neighbors are car-guys... bring beer... and cameras... and fire extinguishers...

One of the salvage building materials places in Seattle got a lot of patterns from a foundry. It's fascinating to see these in person, Patterns. I had to buy one (small) when I saw them.

Example

In reply to ggrjr:

Thanks. I have calipers and I'll get a thread gauge. I think I just need to get used to the process of identifying them and it should become easy.

In reply to coexist:

Those wheel patterns are super cool. There is an oil museum here in Texas that has a bunch of patterns for early drill bits, I spent way too much time geeking out about them when I was there.

The storm is over aside from some light wind gusts which we're hoping stay light, but the rain is done and I don't want to be inside anymore.
I got out my crappy ineffective pressure washer, the drill/wire wheel, and some more foaming cleaner and went to work.
I'm at about 95% now. A couple of cool things (to me) in this picture. The two holes that feed air/fuel to the intake runners, but the smaller hole that is the vacuum source for the brakes, distributor and the crankcase. I assume the metal cylinder is a check valve for the crank case vent on the valley cover? Is there a better/more modern way to do this other than a tangle of steel pipe? Also there are two colors of paint, orange over red. The water pump is also orange over red, but the block isn't. The valve covers have also been painted over with special attention to this little guy. Why does is say 304? Hmmmmm........ The 304 and 345 share bore but not deck height. Different blocks. The 345 and 392 share deck height and cranks but the cylinders are cast differently in the 392 allowing for a bigger bore, again different blocks. So what do I have?
There should be a stamping on the block on a machined surface, but that surface is blank. Crap. The bores measure 3.87ish, so that makes it a 304 or a 345 (the 392 is 4.25) so......pushrods! Different deck height means different pushrods! The 304 measures 8.75ish (I'm using a tape measure, so ish works) and the 345 is 9.75 ish. And my push rods are 8.75, so I have a 304, not a 345 like I've been thinking. Not sure if that changes much, but I suppose it's good to know.

I never realized I needed one of these but evidently I do! I'd love to see Ferdinand with the cab tilted over a flower bed like he's smelling the flowers.

In reply to NOHOME:

I watched that video the other day. Makes me want to go out and find an old TDI just to try that!! Honestly, I've often thought about various potential projects that would be fun to do a TDI swap in.

In reply to mazdeuce:

If you love stuff like that. Take a look here: WWI Dennis Truck restoration

These guys are my heroes. What they accomplished and the craftsmanship they display is nothing short of incredible. Word of warning, it's a long, long thread and you WILL get addicted to it. Something to do while you wait for the waters to recede.......

Is there an emoji for "I suck again?"

oldopelguy wrote: Is there an emoji for "I suck again?"

I essentially paid you to deliver a free truck. We're fine. Adventure!

EDIT: I hate posting an animated gif in a thread everyone's trying to read.

Adventure/Coffee Time gif

After my third year of college I took my field classes for geology and geophysics. Anyone who has taken field geology knows that it's an amazing time full of rocks, mind altering substances, and if you're lucky, girls. By the end of that month I was tired and I went home to my parents house to sleep for a long weekend. On the first morning home my mom woke me up at the crack of dawn and informed me that I was a 4H mother and I needed to get to the fairgrounds pronto.
My younger brother had raised a Holstein calf and my job was to help him and his friends wash and prep their calves for the big show. Prior to this I had washed exactly zero cows, but by 8:30 A.M. I was standing in muck boots with a hose.
If I remember correctly the calves weighed roughly 600 lbs and we're a bit of a handful. After wrestling a calf into the shower stall I asked a real 4H Mom how they moved the 2000lb steers that I saw 12 year old girls leading around.
"Well, something that big is going to go where it wants to. The best you can do is convince the steer that it's leading you where you wanted to go in the first place. You can't fight them, you'll lose every time."
In the story of Ferdinand, the matador wanted him to fight. When he wouldn't the matador stomped his feet and yelled and cried and begged, but the bull did what he wanted. This Ferdinand is a 6,000lb bull of cast iron. Every time I touch the motor it tells me to leave it alone. I'm trying not to stomp and cry and beg, but where is this bull leading me?

mazdeuce wrote: In reply to 19Mustang70: Of course McMaster Carr has them, they have everything. I think I need a good screw/thread gauge so I can identify the size and pitch of everything and then start making an order list. Any recommendations on the best tool for identifying what I have?

Not surprisingly, McMaster-Carr has those also. I have one of these and really like it. I also have several of the old fashioned kind but this is much quicker to use,

I'd guess that's not the original engine, did IH even sell the 304 in a truck that big?

Also, this is clearly a sign from a higher power that you need a 392, more inches=more better.

I'm always a fan of more power, but I'll bet the 304 will do whatever you want to do in Ferdinand.

I had a '68 1/2 ton short bed IH pickup in HS with the 304. The other options were the 345, an inline 6 and maybe an inline 4?

I'm sure the gearing in Ferdinand will be copacetic with the 304.

Pretty sure steering and brakes are the limiting factors here, not the HP.

Course there's always the bottle or turbo solution.....

Was the ih same as amc 304?

Just sold off our COE IH... Sad, but it was time to move on, we bought it in 2002. Was named Huey.

It was a 342,it moved adequately with the gearing. I'm sure your 304 will be adequate as well.

I will follow along to see what comes of Ferdinand!

304 just means a call for more POWER......twin snails with twin stacks