911 Carrera RallyCross Project

and MR is mazda rear

teamilluminata wrote: Detroit RallyCross Series Round two tomorrow. Currently lying first and second in Prepared Rear or, as it is now known "Porsche Rear". Wish us luck. Report, pics and videos next week. Detroit Region SCCA: News Sometimes 911's look big in pictures. Sometimes they look appropriately tiny. Good luck. .

teamilluminata wrote: It's time to start thinking about tires (and wheels) for autocrossing and track days for this thing. The car will be running in SCCA Street Touring class so DOT R compounds are out. Thats good as they wouldn't survive many track days anyway. The hot tire in this class appears to be the Dunlop Direzza ZII Extreme Performance Summer Suitable sizes available would be 205/55-16 front and 225/50-16 rear mounted on BRAID (of course) Fuchs replicas in 16x7, ET23 front and 16x8, ET10 rear. We all know this fits the Carrera body well. But is this enough tire to be competitive? How about Bridgestone's Potenza RE-11 in 225/50-16 front and 225/45-16 rear? Perhaps not as grippy as the Dunlop but a lot wider. These could be fitted to the same wheels as the Dunlops though 8" front and 9" rear may be better but what offsets are needed to clear? Surley not the ET23 and ET 10 above? I know these tire sizes can be made to fit the Carrera body but I'm not sure what offsets work. Any thoughts?

I haven't used the new ZII, but I prefer the Star Spec Z1 to the RE11, having used both of them. The Star Spec feels much more responsive on turn-in. RE11 always felt kind of "dead" in that respect. Note that they were on a WRX, if that matters.

I also have star specs on the e30 rallycross car (street wheels) and really enjoy them as a cruising/transit tire.

out of curiosity, what other cars are running in PR with you?

I only ask because I notice there's a pickup behind you in line

In reply to irish44j:

Mostly two Porsche 944s. There was a truck and a Chrysler 300 but we scared them away.

In reply to irish44j:

The danger ranger runs MR with us, explorer LSD and rear disc swap, some other goofy stuff too.

also I know you were at the finish for the afternoon runs, did you happen to catch me hit any cones on that last embankment? I was sideways through the whole thing and even across the finish lol.

fidelity101 wrote: In reply to irish44j: The danger ranger runs MR with us, explorer LSD and rear disc swap, some other goofy stuff too. also I know you were at the finish for the afternoon runs, did you happen to catch me hit any cones on that last embankment? I was sideways through the whole thing and even across the finish lol.

I don't remember specifically Kevin but the results show you hitting plenty though.

BTW Corbeau seat is in my van now though the van is at Pontiac, at least today.

I must say, this car is amazing. Considering it is basically stock it performs remarkably well. After all we are only in Prepared class due to our wheels being too far from stock spec ( 6.5" width) yet this thing just kicks arse. No understeer, loads of traction, plenty of power, narrow enough, short enough and fast enough. Incredible. It feels like cheating.

Detroit SCCA did another stellar job putting on the event based around a twin dirt oval in mid-Michigan. Needless to say we don't just go around the oval. See the video for a ride on course with my fellow driver Scott Harvey. (yes, he beat me)

Detroit Rallycross 84 Porsche 911 - YouTube

The challenge of this event was all about changing course conditions. With temperatures in the 20s all day were were greeted by frozen dirt for the most part. This had the consitency of sandpaper making for a very fast but twisty course. Except if the sun came out whereby the top 1/4" of surface would change almost instantly to liquid soap and prove a devil to drive on. This happened to me for my last two runs of the day resulting in them being a full 10 seconds slower than my previous runs. Never-the-less we came out in 1st and 2nd place again beating another couple of Porsches, these being 944s.

Some pictures at speed. It goes "all right" doesn't it?

There's supposed to be some helicopter-cam footage of the car too. Hopefully I can snag that soon.

It wasn't all roses though, there were a few casualties. This is what happens to a Porsche fog light when it hits a frozen solid traffic cone at 40mph:

and somehow my skinny tires on 35 offset wheels maaged to contact the fender lip and bend it down. No big deal but what's going to happen when we lower it on 205s?

The new Corbeau seat and Momo steering wheel were excellent but we did have to remove the seat cushion to stop our helmets banging on the roof. Need to figure out how to lower it before the next outing.

Only rally guys would find eating lunch outside at 20F fun.

Next RallyCross is March 10th but we might get an opportunity to do some ice racing this weekend. Let's hope the weather cooperates.

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A short video from yesterday's ice race complete with "oops".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpkRHZw6HMM&feature=share&list=UUID6AciwFXFct3HiWQk8BIQ

Took these off today

and put these on

because I'm hoping for sloppy, muddy conditions in tomorrow's RallyCross. Hope I'm right.

All loaded up and ready

ah, multiple sets of new/newish-tread, different treat rally tires......

and me still on 3-year-old Yokos that I have to groove just to get some sharp edges :P

good luck!

Another successful RallyCross for the Carrera. I finished second and Scott won, again in Prepared Rear class up against tow gentlemen in a 944. Not oly that Scott managed the fastest RWD run of the day and was only beaten overall by a Toyota with an All-Trac swap running in Modified AWD. Quite amazing for a 30 year old RWD vehicle with it's engine in the wrong place.

It was perfect conditions for our Yokohama snow and mud tires.

Here's the pictures and videos:

Car hiding behind dog and pony show.

Wind assisted launch.

http://www.facebook.com/video/embed?video_id=2998172529869

and flying finish

http://www.facebook.com/video/embed?video_id=2998168809776

In car video of one of the morning runs. Scott Harvey driving.

http://www.facebook.com/video/embed?video_id=2996280762576

Spoils!

and aftermath. Still, no damage this weekened.

LOL @ co-driver's face in the trophy pic!

That 911 just looks right in the dirt. Keep fighting the good fight, Paul.

Winston wrote: LOL @ co-driver's face in the trophy pic! That 911 just looks *right* in the dirt. Keep fighting the good fight, Paul.

Thanks Winston. Will do.

That's Ryan from TRF. The guy who built our skid plates and harness bar. I think he thinks we should have had him build a roll cage

Pulled the passenger seat and started working the various heating and ventilation issues the car has.

Had my freind Ed do a PS mock-up of the new livery too.

No can see pic of new livery

Adrian_Thompson wrote: No can see pic of new livery

Fixed

YES to Rothmans-esque livery

Leave the bottom of your car the original red, just white the top. And then in the Rothman's stripe, replace the red with blue. Now you have an original "inverse" scheme.

The reason you want that is, when people see original schemes, they think original sponsors. I actually had to concentrate on your PS to notice "Braid" at all, which is not good for advertising.

I dig it. I think it can work.

I'd make the following changed.
1. REemove the big Porsche lettering from the door and move it to the bottom of the door in a Carrera like triple stripe.
2. Make the Braid on the door 2-3 times taller using all the space.
3. Move the TIM on the door from next to the Braid (which is getting much bigger) to above the rear wheel arch
4. Replace the Pirelli on the front bumper with a small white Briad
5. Change the double Braid on the windscreen header to a single Briad wheels
6. Rally America number cards
7. BIG ASS BRAID accross the bonnett rather than the Rothmans

Javelin wrote: Leave the bottom of your car the original red, just white the top. And then in the Rothman's stripe, replace the red with blue. Now you have an original "inverse" scheme. The reason you want that is, when people see original schemes, they think original sponsors. I actually had to concentrate on your PS to notice "Braid" at all, which is not good for advertising.

Ooh, I really like this idea! I agree with Javelin's reasoning, too.

Javelin wrote: Leave the bottom of your car the original red, just white the top. And then in the Rothman's stripe, replace the red with blue. Now you have an original "inverse" scheme. The reason you want that is, when people see original schemes, they think original sponsors. I actually had to concentrate on your PS to notice "Braid" at all, which is not good for advertising.

Now that's an interesting point.

Adrian_Thompson wrote: I dig it. I think it can work. I'd make the following changed. 1. REemove the big Porsche lettering from the door and move it to the bottom of the door in a Carrera like triple stripe. 2. Make the Braid on the door 2-3 times taller using all the space. 3. Move the TIM on the door from next to the Braid (which is getting much bigger) to above the rear wheel arch 4. Replace the Pirelli on the front bumper with a small white Briad 5. Change the double Braid on the windscreen header to a single Briad wheels 6. Rally America number cards 7. BIG ASS BRAID accross the bonnett rather than the Rothmans

Yes Adrian, some editing will be necessary. This one is more conceptual.

I need to incorporate: BRAID BRAIDUSA.com CORBEAU BRAD PENN T.I.M. (though more incidental.) teamilluminata.com TRF

all brands we carry.

PORSHE and ROTHMANS can get lost.

the stripes will be TIM yellow and red not gold and red.

Some pictures from last weekend's RallyCross in Marshall, Michigan.

impressive that they have photo trophies for individual EVENTS. We have those for season champs only...