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accordionfolder
accordionfolder UltraDork
3/1/25 9:11 p.m.

I believe this has information on specially constructed as well as kit cars but it's been a while since I've used it.

https://www.semasan.com/resources/everything-you-need-register-and-title-your-hobby-car-all-50-states

I will say your experience will vary based on who you get at the counter at the DMV and who you can get on the line. My Exocet I talked with the main guy at the state and we registered it as a Lotus7 replica instead of a kit car because in Tennessee it was easier, but that wasn't what they said on their website/info - so like Keith said, best to go and talk to some people. Also worth going on the locost forum to see if anyone has registered in your state. Worst/last resort is using the title/plate of the donor vehicle, but of course that's not ... Exactly the best idea depending on your insurance, police, etc...

Johnny_
Johnny_ New Reader
4/15/25 5:27 p.m.

Ok everyone I'm back!

I got all the Locost books I could find lol. Keith Tanner's book, Ron Champion's book, the Haynes Roadster book, and the Tiger Avon book. (Between that and modding my bicycle I'm broke now. XD)

I've read through all of them at least twice, and it's been super informative. I'd say the 2 best ones imo are Keith Tanner's and Ron Champion's books. They're both extremely easy to understand and helpful.

I've still got to figure out registration stuff and all, hopefully soon. In Keith Tanner's book it said to check at the library for the regulations, so I'll definitely try that next time I'm there.

I'm pretty sure I wanna go with a McSorely frame, or some larger variation that I'd just come up with lol. I've just been reading and talking to people and it seems the standard sized would definitely be a bit cramped for me. I'm also considering almost completely departing from the tiny size, and scaling it way up to make it as comfortable and nice as possible. Something I could REALLY go pick up a girlfriend in and take her for a ride. (When I can afford one. A girlfriend, I mean. :) ) But I probably won't do that, probably just go with the McSorely. 

OH also, I decided to go with an S10 as a donor. Ideally I'll find a 2wd with the 4.3 V6 and 5spd transmission. Seems like that would be the best donor option. Cheap, easy to find, most of the parts I need, and plenty of aftermarket support for the engine and tranny. And did I mention they're cheap? 

Other than that.... can't think of any new developments.... so yeah! If anyone's got any input on anything I just said it's greatly appreciated.

Thanks!! 

Johnny

Kreb (Forum Supporter)
Kreb (Forum Supporter) PowerDork
4/15/25 5:54 p.m.

Cool beans! If I were to build One again, the non-negotiables would be:

-4" Wider than book

-IRS -my first build was a Stalker, which was S-10 based, and it's not a bad way to go, but the big-ass rear axle sitting nearly below your butt makes for a much less compliant ride than my friends build which uses a Miata IRS. Honestly, this was the single most annoying part of the car. On a smooth track, the solid axle worked very well, but  on a twisty road with some bumps thrown in, a Miata would be faster just due to its ability to maintain adhesion in the rear. 

You also might want to consider the LFX motor. If you could find one with a 6-speed from a Camaro, that'd be pretty awesome. But almost any motor rocks in a Locost.  

Robbie (Forum Supporter)
Robbie (Forum Supporter) MegaDork
4/15/25 6:33 p.m.

Sooooooo.

I have a somewhat complete locost chassis that I got from forums members here a few years ago for free. I have not used it yet and don't have plans to in the next few years at least. It's yours for the same price (free!) if you want to come get it. I'm in the Chicago area.

i think it's a 442 mcsorely setup for IRS from a Miata. It would make a helluva start if that's the direction you want to go. Message me on here, I can get you measurements or pics. It fits easily in a truck bed with the tailgate down so it's relatively easy to transport.

Piguin
Piguin HalfDork
4/15/25 6:44 p.m.

Robbie to the rescue :D

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner MegaDork
4/15/25 7:10 p.m.

I mentioned it before, but I'd stay as small as you can. Avoid the urge to keep jamming bigger and more powerful engines into it - if you can keep it small and light, it'll work better. My car was 148 rwhp and 1200 lbs and very quick until it hit the aero wall. Around our local kart track, it wasn't any slower than a turbocharged Westfield because it was lighter.

If you want to try on sizes, make yourself a seating area out of boxes or something. Mock up the cockpit and get in. You want to be wearing the car. They'll never really be completely comfortable with all the wind and noise and the front tires throwing rocks at your face, so if you find a girlfriend who will put up with that you've got a keeper. Mine did and now we've been married for 17 years.

Robbie's free frame is an excellent head start.

DarkMonohue
DarkMonohue UltraDork
4/15/25 9:40 p.m.

Following along to learn what I can, and on the very off chance I can contribute something of value.

DarkMonohue
DarkMonohue UltraDork
4/15/25 11:45 p.m.

First off, you communicate extremely well for someone so young.  Your thoughts are well-organized, and you seem to have a methodical approach.  These attributes will serve you well.

Second, there's a big gift there from Robbie if you can arrange transportation.  By all means, take advantage of that.

Third, yes, the Ford S-Cort (getting around the word filter here) was hugely popular in GB, and made sense as a cheap donor car when the book was written, but it has since gained in value due to its race/rally heritage.  Equivalent products here would have been Ford Pinto, Chevy Chevette (also popular in GB), various Datsuns, RWD Corolla, etc - any cheap RWD four-cylinder economy car of the 70s and 80s.  That was a long time ago now.  Despite the fact that I am more familiar with Toyota stuff than anything else, it's really hard to argue with a Miata as a donor car. 

Third and a half, I'd way rather use a Miata powertrain than any S10.  A great big wheezy greazy cast-iron truck engine is the exact opposite of what you want for a flyweight sports car.  There is nothing sporting about them.  Sure, you can find parts anywhere, and maybe even some go-faster stuff at Summit or Jeg's or whatever, but it's a heavy, slow-revving truck engine, and does not have a sporting character.  Leave the 4.3 to what it is good at (e.g. towing trailers full of yard waste to the dump, reposessing TVs and odd-smelling sectional couches from sketchy rent-to-own outlets, taking Grandpa fishing, etc.) and stick with small-displacement, quick-revving engines for your Locost.

Honestly, I'd rather have a stock 3T-C with a lightweight flywheel than a big old asthmatic V6 making twice the power.  A small, fast-revving four-cylinder will result in a much better balanced car that will be more engaging and will feel much faster, even if it's not actually faster around a track.

Fourth, steel tubing typically comes in 20' sticks from a steel yard.  If you have one nearby, it's worth pricing it out.  The ones I have bought from have been happy to cut it into 10' sticks at no charge, which made it easy to transport in a longbed pickup.  It's not free, but it's not an expensive material, and it's easy to work with.  I like my 4x6 bandsaw, but you can cut it easily enough with a porta-band, or a grinder and cutoff wheel, or even just a hacksaw if that's what you have.  And it's forgiving to weld with if you use MIG (as opposed to stick or fluxcore).  Keep your gaps reasonable and clean the metal prior to welding, and you'll learn quickly.

Good luck.  I wish I'd have had the opportunity to do something this ambitious when I was a pup.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner MegaDork
4/16/25 1:04 a.m.

The AE86 Corolla used to be a good donor, but InitialD took care of that :) There's a Hyundai that's a really close option to what's in Champion's book including some borrowed S-Cort parts, but it's an old one - Excel, maybe?

SkinnyG
SkinnyG PowerDork
4/16/25 1:11 a.m.

Hyundai Stellar.  1986-only in Canada.  Good like finding any left running.

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner MegaDork
4/16/25 1:27 a.m.

Thanks, I knew it was the Pony era and Excel was too obvious. 

DarkMonohue
DarkMonohue UltraDork
4/16/25 6:31 a.m.
Keith Tanner said:

The AE86 Corolla used to be a good donor, but InitialD took care of that :) There's a Hyundai that's a really close option to what's in Champion's book including some borrowed S-Cort parts, but it's an old one - Excel, maybe?

You can get pretty close to the AE86 goodness with any RWD Corolla.  TE7# forward gets you coil spring rear end rather than leaf springs, and AE7# or AE8# will have the A-series engine, which makes a future 4A-GE swap child's play.  You could go with a 4A-FE or 7A-FE for cheap fun.  The old pushrod hemi 3T-C has plenty of potential as well.  In Johnny's case I would not turn my nose up at any of the above.  They all work, and they all have lots of headroom for mods in the future.  It would be nice to get the 6.7" T-code rear axle rather than the spindly old 6.38" S-code if not using the Miata IRS.

buzzboy
buzzboy UltraDork
4/16/25 11:01 a.m.

I'm excited to see where this goes. I hope to see videos of Johnny out cruising in his Locost soon

Johnny_
Johnny_ New Reader
4/20/25 8:52 p.m.
Robbie (Forum Supporter) said:

Sooooooo.

I have a somewhat complete locost chassis that I got from forums members here a few years ago for free. I have not used it yet and don't have plans to in the next few years at least. It's yours for the same price (free!) if you want to come get it. I'm in the Chicago area.

i think it's a 442 mcsorely setup for IRS from a Miata. It would make a helluva start if that's the direction you want to go. Message me on here, I can get you measurements or pics. It fits easily in a truck bed with the tailgate down so it's relatively easy to transport.

Thank you SOOOOO much!!! I really appreciate the offer. The only issue is.... I'm not driving yet and I doubt my parents would pick it up. Hmmm.... I guess I can talk to them. Either way, thank you so much for the offer!!

 

Now to wait another hour until the next post....

 

Johnny_
Johnny_ New Reader
4/20/25 8:53 p.m.
Kreb (Forum Supporter) said:

Cool beans! If I were to build One again, the non-negotiables would be:

-4" Wider than book

-IRS -my first build was a Stalker, which was S-10 based, and it's not a bad way to go, but the big-ass rear axle sitting nearly below your butt makes for a much less compliant ride than my friends build which uses a Miata IRS. Honestly, this was the single most annoying part of the car. On a smooth track, the solid axle worked very well, but  on a twisty road with some bumps thrown in, a Miata would be faster just due to its ability to maintain adhesion in the rear. 

You also might want to consider the LFX motor. If you could find one with a 6-speed from a Camaro, that'd be pretty awesome. But almost any motor rocks in a Locost.  

Hmmm. I guess that makes sense. Maybe I SHOULD go with a Miata, especially for a first build I guess I really shouldn't be fooling trying to fit the large components lol.

 

Edit: Haha! I guess I've advanced. The 1 post an hour time limit is removed.

Johnny_
Johnny_ New Reader
4/20/25 8:55 p.m.

In reply to DarkMonohue :

I'll check those out. Thanks!

Johnny_
Johnny_ New Reader
4/20/25 8:55 p.m.

In reply to buzzboy :

I hope so too!!

Johnny_
Johnny_ New Reader
4/20/25 8:56 p.m.

Ok.... so it looks like the consensus is the S10 isn't the best donor choice ever. I'll do some looking around the area for Miata's on FB. I'll get back to y'all when there's new developments. Thank you so much everyone!

Johnny_
Johnny_ New Reader
4/20/25 8:58 p.m.

In reply to DarkMonohue :

Thanks! I appreciate the input.

jaf
jaf New Reader
4/20/25 9:28 p.m.

In reply to Johnny_ :

Hopefully you've made it over to the Locost USA forum. There is a ton of good advice despite the recent lack of traffic.

While Miata's might be a little pricey, if you are patient you should be able to find a wrecked one. You don't need any body work so the more beat up the better. Take a minute to sit down and list out all of the things you need for a Locost build. A Miata makes the perfect single source donor for all your needs. Think beyond the drivetrain, engine, transmission, differential. You'll need a steering rack, steering column, spindles, brakes, rear parking brake, fuel system, wiring, dash, steering wheel, seats, driveshaft, etc.

Good luck and keep at it.

 

Johnny_
Johnny_ New Reader
4/21/25 4:46 p.m.

In reply to jaf :

Thanks for the input! I'll keep an eye out for a wrecked Miata.

I did join that forum, but like you said there does seem to be a lack of traffic.

Thanks!

Robbie (Forum Supporter)
Robbie (Forum Supporter) MegaDork
4/21/25 5:20 p.m.
Pete. (l33t FS)
Pete. (l33t FS) MegaDork
4/21/25 7:48 p.m.

In reply to jaf :

A rusted all to heck Miata is a better bet than a wrecked one, only because wrecks tend to mangle the front subframe, and almost always damage the aluminum differential housing, which is engineered with a weak spot to allow the engine to get pushed back.  (Otherwise the PPF that attaches the trans to the diff would prevent that)

Johnny_
Johnny_ New Reader
4/22/25 10:53 a.m.

In reply to Pete. (l33t FS) :

That may work out good, because around here in MN where we live I think vehicles disabled from rust seem even more common than wrecked out vehicles.

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