GaryC83
GaryC83 New Reader
6/13/20 11:09 a.m.
Dusterbd13-michael (Forum Supporter) said:

 

berkeley. No idea what happened here. berkeley. berkeley. berkeley. 

 

How do i fix it? Hopefully NOT strip the whole panel and re-shoot. Spot repair? Middle of the roof. 

Honestly looks like a combo of taking too much material off when you were wetsanding and then burning through the clear into the base when you were hitting it with compound.   Without seeing it in person and looking at it on my phone screen, thats my guess.  Could be wrong but thats what it looks like to me. 

 

Being said, it's the easiest panel to fix. You've got good break lines everywhere and it doesn't really directly butt up next to another panel. Where panel painting will be dead obvious. Like doing a door without a blend or a fender, etc.

 

How I would fix it, is get the rest of the car sorted. Then reprep the roof with say 600. Do a small blend in that area with your basecoat and reclear the whole panel. Yeah. It sucks. Ive been there. Ive been there on 3 stage candy jobs. That sucks even worse having to fix. I feel your pain, but its not the end of the world.  Sucks, but its easily fixed. 

 

Car is looking great. Keep it up. 

OHSCrifle
OHSCrifle SuperDork
6/13/20 11:30 a.m.

Paint looks really good. Bummer about the roof but much easier to redo, having done it already. 

Dusterbd13-michael (Forum Supporter)
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6/13/20 11:45 a.m.

In reply to GaryC83 and Patrick :

Thanks y'all. I think it was an area that got missed with base and cleared over. Has no textural or gloss difference. 

 

I really like the idea of scuffing, shooting a bit of color on the spot,  and reclearing the panel. That seems like a simple solution. 

I  got the rest of the shell and doors done. Leaving the hood alone until we do the other bolt on bodywork. 

Justjim75
Justjim75 Dork
6/13/20 12:28 p.m.

Sorry to hear about the roof!  And ive been bombing you with pics of my stuff all weekend,  sorry.  The rest looks great, and as others have said, at least its not the middle of a door or something 

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6/14/20 5:40 p.m.

previously

budget spent: 1449.53

recoup: 894.75

 

new money

camber bolts, ac drier, brake hoses, and rear parking brake shoes from rockauto:38.07

1 more can rustoleum satin black spray paint:5.98

can rustoleum hammered paint (matches galvanized) 6.98

can rustoleum bare steel looking paint 6.98

can of cast coat iron duplicolor engine paint 7.99

sold 17s for 180 (can only claim 106 to max out recoup)

two stainless band clamps and flex pipe from amazon 35.67

two tubes urethane from amazon 30.68

roll of butyl tape 17.99

koni stickers from ebay 5.00

 

 

New total: 1832.46

recoup: 1000

 

so, we've been cleaning, painting and reassembling.

 

First things first, though, we had to finish the underside and get it prepared to go back together permanently. I pulled all the stuff off, taped up the car, and shot it with rustoleum satin black from lowes. 2.5 cans on the underside. Came out nice and sanitary, the way we like it.

20200602_175810 by Michael Crawford, on Flickr

20200602_175815 by Michael Crawford, on Flickr

20200602_175823 by Michael Crawford, on Flickr

20200602_175836 by Michael Crawford, on Flickr

20200602_180012 by Michael Crawford, on Flickr

 

Then it was time to start going back together. Looking at the crusty lines from the ACR, and the minty ones on the lemons RT, it was decided that the next step should be to gut the RT for all its worth. Which I did. With extreme prejudice. Got all the good, and some of the bad out of it.

20200605_072519 by Michael Crawford, on Flickr

 

First parts to go back in the ACR was the taillight harness and such from the RT. (later bit me in the ass, as all the connectors are different at the kick panel). It also had a trunk light. Which will be nice to have. I tossed the black springs, trunk weatherstripping, and rear speakers in as well. Seemed like the thing to do.

 

20200602_143353 by Michael Crawford, on Flickr

20200602_143407 by Michael Crawford, on Flickr

20200603_112839 by Michael Crawford, on Flickr

 

Cleaned up the lines, got them in. then looked at the two plastic tank setups on hand, chose the best parts (all the RT stuff way better than the ACR) cleaned it up, painted the straps with hammered rustoleum that mimics galvanizing. The heat shield and other parts came out perfect with an sos pad and purple power. Same with the exhaust heat shield on the trans tunnel.

20200604_142057 by Michael Crawford, on Flickr

20200604_083550 by Michael Crawford, on Flickr

20200605_201329 by Michael Crawford, on Flickr

20200605_201356 by Michael Crawford, on Flickr

 

Pulled the borla stainless exhaust out of storage, selected the three best hangars from the neon pile, greased the hanger studs to reduce squeaking. Cleaned the exhaust with purple power and a brown scotchbrite, and ordered replacement stuff for the mangled flex section.

20200606_144856 by Michael Crawford, on Flickr

20200606_154112 by Michael Crawford, on Flickr

 

On the inside, we began to rebuild the firewall from the steel out. I wound up using the whole roll of peel and seal on the firewall and interior holes. Figured id NEVER get to the firewall again, and would do it now and not regret it later. I also used a piece of the bubble wrap insulation that I pulled during antmageddon that I missed putting in the truck for the dump. Then used the best firewall pad I had, with the best of the little plastic hangers. Never did take a picture, and I'm not going to pull it back apart to take one.

 

After that, I took apart both HVAC boxes, used the best parts from both, cleaned everything and re-greased it, and hung it.

20200605_132546 by Michael Crawford, on Flickr

20200605_134612 by Michael Crawford, on Flickr

 

I also disassembled the pedal box, painted it with satin black and hammered finish, used the best pedal pads, greased everything, and put it back in.

20200605_075355 by Michael Crawford, on Flickr

20200605_102829 by Michael Crawford, on Flickr

20200607_080649 by Michael Crawford, on Flickr

 

booster got cleaned and painted, master cylinder just got cleaned. Got that all re-hung. A trick I recently learned is to use PB blaster and a rag to restore black plastic cables. It does truly work amazingly so far. Jury still out on longevity though. It's not greasy or anything, and I can expect that it wont attract much dirt like armor all would.

20200607_081508 by Michael Crawford, on Flickr

 

Then to reduce the giant pile of parts, I went ahead and put the cleaned carpet in. this carpet came from the lemons R/T. It was bad. Really bad.

20200529_071205 by Michael Crawford, on Flickr

20200529_074824 by Michael Crawford, on Flickr

 

to clean, we hit it with purple power and a pressure washer. Then, purple power, a concrete brush, tough stuff with the bristles on the can, more purple power, and the pressure washer again. Turned out pretty ok.

20200607_174729 by Michael Crawford, on Flickr

 

we went ahead and scrubbed the headliner as well. Wife made a vinegar/dawn/warm water solution in a spray bottle, used a microfiber towel, and it came out AWESOME.

20200606_145507 by Michael Crawford, on Flickr

20200607_095116 by Michael Crawford, on Flickr

 

then munchkin and I put the dash in.

20200608_120432 by Michael Crawford, on Flickr

 

she wired up the stereo harness, and then assembled the best parts of multiple glove box doors and installed that.

20200608_183102 by Michael Crawford, on Flickr

20200609_171659 by Michael Crawford, on Flickr

 

brother dustin came, as well as art that night. We hung the doors to get them out of harms way in the shed, and hopefully get closer to getting the mower put away.

20200609_181018 by Michael Crawford, on Flickr

20200609_181034 by Michael Crawford, on Flickr

 

art showed us wetsanding and buffing. 100, 2500, 2000 grit wet, then 3m yellow goo, then meguires 205, then machine glaze. Lot of work, but buffed out beautiful.

20200609_195614 by Michael Crawford, on Flickr

 

I quickly remembered that the stuff from this goes EVERYWHERE. So, sheets, painters tape, and get to working the rest of the paint with paper. And compounds. And sweat.

20200610_083032 by Michael Crawford, on Flickr

20200612_133634 by Michael Crawford, on Flickr

20200612_182121 by Michael Crawford, on Flickr

20200613_095756 by Michael Crawford, on Flickr

20200613_114731 by Michael Crawford, on Flickr

20200613_111717 by Michael Crawford, on Flickr

 

unfortunately, I found a spot on the roof that will require repair. We pretty much missed it with base, and then coated the spot with clear. Not sure how we didn't notice before now, but we didn't. Im actively choosing to ignore it right now, as repainting the roof is not something I want to contemplate.

20200612_173855 by Michael Crawford, on Flickr

 

while all this has been going on, im still cleaning and painting stuff. The rack from the lemons R/T was pressed into service. The original ACR rack was pretty hammered, and this one looked brand new after some scrubbing. Thankfully they are the same ratio. I also went ahead and painted the crossmember, rear suspension arms, and rear disc brake backing plates gloss black. Rear spindles are cast coat iron, and all the hardware is some random can of silver touch up paint. I have all poly bushings, and am deciding which ones I want to run. Still have a TON of parts and hardware to clean and paint before this thing is a roller again. But, a start is a start. And this start looks GOOD so far.

20200611_134246 by Michael Crawford, on Flickr

20200611_142218 by Michael Crawford, on Flickr

20200613_133755 by Michael Crawford, on Flickr

 

I also started getting glass ready to go back in, weatherstripping hung, seatbelts, package tray, etc. the exterior plastics are being restored with light coats of satin black. Takes a bit of time, and a light touch with the paint, but works well!

20200613_133839 by Michael Crawford, on Flickr

20200613_133845 by Michael Crawford, on Flickr

 

thats all for this week folks. Hopefully next installment will see the glass back in it, and a roller that has been smoke tested with a battery and full electrical system.

maschinenbau (I live here)
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6/14/20 5:51 p.m.

Dang that's a big update! Incredible effort in just a week. That paint came out great.

mazdeuce - Seth
mazdeuce - Seth Mod Squad
6/14/20 6:04 p.m.

What are the chances that ACR stripes go over that part of the roof?

Dusterbd13-michael (Forum Supporter)
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6/14/20 6:13 p.m.
mazdeuce - Seth said:

What are the chances that ACR stripes go over that part of the roof?

less than zero. ACR didnt even get callout stickers. no stripes, badges, nothing. gonna have to repaint the roof. art came by today and confirmed. 

Stampie (FS)
Stampie (FS) UltimaDork
6/14/20 6:15 p.m.

In reply to Dusterbd13-michael (Forum Supporter) :

That just means you get a second chance at perfection.  Not many people get that you know.

Dusterbd13-michael (Forum Supporter)
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6/14/20 6:47 p.m.
Stampie (FS) said:

In reply to Dusterbd13-michael (Forum Supporter) :

That just means you get a second chance at perfection.  Not many people get that you know.

But i didn't WANT a second chance...

 

Oh well.  Well fix it. We have a plan. And leftover material. 

Dusterbd13-michael (Forum Supporter)
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6/15/20 8:08 a.m.

My rear koni yellows are heavily rusted. 

Also,  with no springs on,  they don't self extend the shaft if you compress them. Is that normal operation for konis?

Professor_Brap (Forum Supporter)
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6/15/20 8:46 a.m.

Sorry about the roof, but E36 M3 happens, atleast you cought it early. 

Pete Gossett (Forum Supporter)
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6/15/20 8:52 a.m.

In reply to Dusterbd13-michael (Forum Supporter) :

If they're not extending at all it sounds like you may have lost the gas charge. However I'd still bet they'll perform better than any other shocks you could buy for Challenge money. 

Dusterbd13-michael (Forum Supporter)
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6/15/20 9:20 a.m.

In reply to Pete Gossett (Forum Supporter) :

Kinda what I was thinking. Ill probably send them for a rebuild after the challenge. They are the gold standard for neons agter all. Id be willing to bet that i couldn't find much better for the car and similar mony.

eastsideTim
eastsideTim PowerDork
6/15/20 10:01 a.m.

Every time I look in this thread, I am amazed.  This is gonna be one of the best looking cars at the Challenge.

 

 

Dusterbd13-michael (Forum Supporter)
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6/15/20 10:09 a.m.

In reply to eastsideTim :

Im actually hoping for the best, since it sure won't be fast!

NOHOME
NOHOME MegaDork
6/15/20 10:28 a.m.

Sorry to see the paint snafu. Was pretty sure that full panel was going to be the correct answer; thing is it is esier and more predictable repair than a spot/blend approach.

Do document the respray since I am curious how far down Art wants to sand the existing coats. All of the clear or or just scuff and build new color and clear on top?

Dusterbd13-michael (Forum Supporter)
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6/15/20 11:09 a.m.

In reply to NOHOME :

Will do! Ive never seen how this is done either. So it will be very interesting to say the least. 

 

On konis: after a little working,  one rear, and both fronts extend themselves from completely compressed to completley extended with no problem. The other rear only extended itself about an inch. So, ill say that 3/4 are healthy. And the last in on life support in a power outage. 

java230
java230 UberDork
6/15/20 12:11 p.m.

Wow so much progress! Sorry to see the roof, but at least sprayiong that panel over is easy ish.

Dusterbd13-michael (Forum Supporter)
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6/15/20 1:32 p.m.
java230 said:

Wow so much progress! Sorry to see the roof, but at least sprayiong that panel over is easy ish.

Thats the beauty of being wired for 220v. Im always hyper. Being stuck at home, i have to do something with my hands. Normally, im on the road and going many places every day. Since quarantine,  ive been at my home office. Since im doing all my meetings on the phone, it leaves very idle hands. So im generally fiddling with something while working the day job. And to top it off,  i cant sleep lately. So, more time!

Dusterbd13-michael (Forum Supporter)
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6/15/20 4:41 p.m.

tonight we pour one out for my dead homie. 

I bought this kenwood ez500 new in 2001. Paid REAL money for it then. I put it in my duster finally in 2004. In the last few years it became flaky  to function and operate. I replaced it with a new kenwood in the duster,  and figured it was period correct for the neon. 

My daughter installed it in the neon last week. 

It lasted one song. Then dropped most of the functionality and any time you push a button the screen goes blank.

Damn good ride all these years, homie. You'll be missed. 

gumby (Forum Supporter)
gumby (Forum Supporter) HalfDork
6/15/20 4:48 p.m.

Oh man, I have an old Pioneer like that. I want to put it in the Bluebird and see if it will last thru Challenge this year. Cheers to old head units!

Dusterbd13-michael (Forum Supporter)
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6/15/20 5:21 p.m.

In reply to gumby (Forum Supporter) :

Hopefully yours does! Now im torn between the $12 blaupunkt from wal mart, or the jvc thats wonky as hell from E36 M3box. Cause there's not enough challenge budget left for a good stereo. 

Dusterbd13-michael (Forum Supporter)
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6/17/20 5:59 p.m.

 

Who has OCD and two thumbs? 

<---- THIS GUY!!!

 

 

And blaupunkt won. Its surprisingly adequate so far. Definitely got what i paid for.....

Dusterbd13-michael (Forum Supporter)
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6/20/20 9:25 a.m.

E36 M3box fired up and moved with no smoke, noise, or fuss after sitting for MONTHS. its a good drivetrain. Yay!

Munchkin and my goal for the weekend: roller. Side widow's in, doors rebuilt,  and interior mostly finished. 

It sounds like a lot,  but we're shockingly close. 

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