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+1000 to the suggestions from nocones

Warren v wrote: Also, Joey, when did GRM start caring about open section transverse tubes?

Hey, I capped mine!

Bushings are back where they belong

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1) that's way too marketing-speak
2) that's likely to cause a fight between those of us who hate facebook (e.g. me) and those who don't.

Here's a suggestion for a much better post

go3wheeler said: Hey Guys, we added all the bracing you suggested, and capped the open ends of our tubes. Check it out! [picture] [picture] [picture] BTW, it would help us out a bit if those of you with facebook would like our page.

Will not be capping end tubes until we done with figuring out the whole thing. There is tons of staff that needs to be mounted on those ends. Plus way to much bracing, doesn't need it for this type of light vehicle. Have you seen Factory Five Cobra frames? My tubing twice as thick on 450 pound car than the ones on Factory Five 2300 pound car. 10 years ago when I built my Factory Five roadster I bent a tube frame with my knee to get aluminum panels to ling up. Not going to happen here.

If you put tubes in the right place, they don't need to be massive. That's the point. Smart engineering, not just "let's make this thicker".

Why are you posting in this forum? This is a motorsports forum. We make cars better, faster, stronger. A number of us have designed and built our own cars - then redesigned them and built them again. We're not going to be buying cheap, underengineered crap, even if other vehicles in the same market are cheap, underengineered crap. Show us something that's intelligent or creative and we'll be a lot more interested.

go3wheeler wrote:

bigdaddylee82 wrote:

go3wheeler wrote:

go3wheeler wrote:

Keith Tanner wrote: If you put tubes in the right place, they don't need to be massive. That's the point. Smart engineering, not just "let's make this thicker". Why are you posting in this forum? This is a motorsports forum. We make cars better, faster, stronger. A number of us have designed and built our own cars - then redesigned them and built them again. We're not going to be buying cheap, underengineered crap, even if other vehicles in the same market are cheap, underengineered crap. Show us something that's intelligent or creative and we'll be a lot more interested.

So I've go an open co-host position. How do you feel about foreign cars?

Keith Tanner wrote: If you put tubes in the right place, they don't need to be massive. That's the point. Smart engineering, not just "let's make this thicker". Why are you posting in this forum? This is a motorsports forum. We make cars better, faster, stronger. A number of us have designed and built our own cars - then redesigned them and built them again. We're not going to be buying cheap, underengineered crap, even if other vehicles in the same market are cheap, underengineered crap. Show us something that's intelligent or creative and we'll be a lot more interested.

I came here not to make enemies but just curious have you ever design and build a light weight street legal car from your own drawing start to finish including tooling and fiberglass molds for mass production? I'm not talking race car junk that is not allowed anywhere near public roads. Show me something that's is intelligent or creative before I can take you little more serious

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Sorry, I should have not allowed Picard to elaborate for me.

Here's some shameless Keith-promotion:

http://www.amazon.com/Build-Cheap-Sports-Motorbooks-Workshop/dp/0760322872

Wow, Great reviews. How to build a car you bought from dealer. This is hilarious!!!!!!

This is a web site information about how someone built a Super 7 from pieces either bought from some dealer or taken from a Miata donor car. If you have any other model of donor car you will benefit little from reading this book, it falls far behind from Ron Champion's book, here you will be invited more to assemble the car than to buid it, really it describes just how to use parts from different sources plus the Miata.

Another great review? I been building kit cars back in high school, I think this is where some of you belong.

Unlike Champion's book however, you can NOT build a car using Keith Tanner's book. He chose not to include plans for building a unique chassis for the Miata because he purchased his chassis from the only company producing them, Champion Motorcar Company, and explained the build from there. Before the book went to print the Champion Motorcar Company went out of business!!! The reader is left without plans to build a chassis suitable for the Miata-based car or even a place to purchase one. Even the chassis the author purchased from CMC demonstrated the difficulties of adapting the Miata independent rear suspension to the design. Tanner had considerable problems with the vendor's chassis and a national motorsports magazine built a car with the same chassis and the entire differential support failed "almost immediately" (Tanner's words.)

As you read the front and back covers and sidebars like "Building a Frame From Scratch" and "Buying a Kit" or flip through the book in anticipation of purchasing it, you will not find any indication that you can NOT build the car from this book. On page 10 at the end of a paragraph the author simply states "As it turns out, I was lucky. Champion Motorcar Company stopped doing business shortly after my car hit the track despite a solid reputation and a strong demand for their products."

They were great, he was lucky. And you still can't build a car from this book.

go3wheeler wrote: Wow, Great reviews. How to build a car you bought from dealer. This is hilarious!!!!!! This is a web site information about how someone built a Super 7 from pieces either bought from some dealer or taken from a Miata donor car. If you have any other model of donor car you will benefit little from reading this book, it falls far behind from Ron Champion's book, here you will be invited more to assemble the car than to buid it, really it describes just how to use parts from different sources plus the Miata.

I don't want you to get the idea that I don't respect what you are doing or what you are trying to do. I don't have the means (right now) or the skills or know-how (yet) to do anything close to this. I think what you're doing, in its idea, is cool and this is the right forum to talk about it. This is probably honestly the nicest automotive message board on the internet and given the often "weird" interests of the people on here, a three-wheeler would fit right in.

However, it is a forum for discussion and not an advertising platform, IMO. I think a lot of the feedback you're getting is pretty constructive and this is the first place I'd turn if I needed a design of mine critiqued. No hard feelings! Just be glad that a lot of users on here are willing to provide input and feedback, I doubt you'd get that on many other car forums.

Also, keep in mind what Keith said--this is a motorsports forum, and any way you can turn your build in that direction would be very exciting for a lot of us, especially given the cheap cost associated with your claims on here.

I can't help but wondering: where are YOUR previous triumphant build pages and links to books that you wrote located?

That facebook page has squat about your credentials, past experience, or even your name. So that we may Google you and decide if you're really a guy we want to entrust our lives with by buying your shamelessly plugged product.

I'm here not to sell anything, I'm here to share my build log with you all. If you don't like it than skip my post and don't click three wheel car link. Some of the people here making my sharing very unpleasant. People have different opinions on things ether they right or wrong but at least I don't force my opinion on anyone. I'm glad I have many fans who is with me, You know who you are:-)

I think you should stop. You have no idea the experiences of the people whom you are dismissing. You are quite simply a fool if you think that the design of a vehicle for road use is somehow beyond the technicalities of a successful racing vehicle. Thus far you have proven little to no technical knowledge of the concepts you are disregarding and provided weak marketing materials to explain your design. As someone with nearly 10 years of product design experience in industries requiring rigorous testing and safety standards you are quite simply over your head if you can't recognize the flaws in your product and realize the wealth of free help you have been getting from very qualified individuals. Everyone who attempted to help you has earned my respect for their technical aptitude and capabilities over the time I have spent on this board. I would listen to any of their constructive critique of any of my own projects and consider incorporating their ideas. Good luck to you, your company, and your customers moving forward. My last piece of advice is unless you improve your product lawyer up because chances are very high your going to need it.

I like where all this is going...

Trans_Maro wrote: I like where all this is going...

You are the Man!!!!

I like you, go3wheeler. You seem like a swell guy who won't take no for an answer. You're the kind of guy who can get stuff done; I can already see that. Have you thought about running for political office?

go3wheeler wrote:

Trans_Maro wrote: I like where all this is going...

You are the Man!!!!

This calls for a double