2024 Dodge Charger Daytona: The muscle car goes electric

The concepts of "muscle" and "performance" sure are changing with EVs.  

Charger Scat Pack - 630HP, 0-60 in 3.3sec, styling and drama

Volvo EX30 - 422HP, 0-60 in 3.4sec, almost invisible CUV

Two totally different cars, but everybody is starting to pile up at the short end of the acceleration ladder.

turboshadow said:

I do like the idea of the 2-door with the 3.0 TT sounds like a solid daily/track car if they can keep the weight down. 

Probably going to be a lot lighter than the electric version at least, and cheaper. I'm a little disappointed the gas version is being delayed compared to the electric model.

On the whole "Mopar is terrible at electronics" thing:

For me, who has been tasked with making decrepit, poorly designed Dodge electronics work with modern EFI, I know this all too well. But even a 10-15 year old Mopar is going to be completely different in architecture thanwhat this will be. Chrysler has been through ownership from the Germans, a global private equity firm, the Italians, and now the French in the past 20ish years alone. This is the first clean slate Stellantis performance vehicle build, and it seems like they are engaged in attempting to produce quality vehicles. Does that mean it's going to be good or terrible? I have no idea, but I've got my hopes up. 

That said, I would probably stay away from a 1st model year car and let the production bugs come to the surface. Not only is it new, it's all new with a different method of propulsion than they have ever produced on a grand scale. 

yupididit said:

Oh damn. Even with developing an EV dodge still wants to enable hooligan activities. I support this through and through, its sounds over the top. 

I'm also interested in the tt inline6, might be the next 2jz! Imagine a dodge powerpack tune from the factory that brings the i6 to hellcat like power. 

I for one welcome new, hot inline-6 Chargers.

Tony Sestito said:

Chrysler has been through ownership from the Germans, a global private equity firm, the Italians, and now the French in the past 20ish years alone.

I think that might be hurting your argument, rather than helping it.

I'm kind of amused by repurposing the "SIX PACK" name from carburetor barrels to cylinder count.

I'm still having a hard time believing this isn't some sort of prank by Mopar. I just can't wrap my head around the fact that they're killing off the V8. I say this as a die-hard lifelong Mopar guy. I'm also scared E36 M3less that Mopar is making something Electric. I say this as a die-hard lifelong Mopar guy. I never trust Mopar Transmissions or Electronics unless they're from the original muscle car era.

In reply to Dusterbd13-michael :

They're actually getting out in front of the trending socio-political climate (accent on political).

Though, I have to say, they have made a lot of money by lagging behind it for the last 20 years.

Dusterbd13-michael said:

I'm still having a hard time believing this isn't some sort of prank by Mopar. I just can't wrap my head around the fact that they're killing off the V8. I say this as a die-hard lifelong Mopar guy. I'm also scared E36 M3less that Mopar is making something Electric. I say this as a die-hard lifelong Mopar guy. I never trust Mopar Transmissions or Electronics unless they're from the original muscle car era.

They're not just Mopar anymore. They've merged with powerhouse brands including Alfa Romeo, Fiat, Maserati, Citroen, Lancia, Opel, Renault... Wait a minute...

Yeah I don't want to for a minute seem to come down against what they've been doing with the Magnum/300/Charger/Challenger for all these years. Maybe I'm misremembering, but in my recollection, it was MOPAR that brought RWD and V8 cars back to the masses. Sure, there were a few attempts, like the G8, SS, and of course the Germans did it more expensively all along, but I'm coming from the 90s when the best you could hope for was a GTP and the e-brake. I know plenty of people do annoying things with their cars, but in the balance, bless them for the good work they've done!

Seriously, without the inroads they made over the past twenty years, harkening back to the good old days, we would more likely be looking at a FWD (again) electric"Charger" 

In reply to Duke :

What's old is new again, although in this case the cylinder and carb barrel count matched.

P3PPY said:

Yeah I don't want to for a minute seem to come down against what they've been doing with the Magnum/300/Charger/Challenger for all these years. Maybe I'm misremembering, but in my recollection, it was MOPAR that brought RWD and V8 cars back to the masses. Sure, there were a few attempts, like the G8, SS, and of course the Germans did it more expensively all along, but I'm coming from the 90s when the best you could hope for was a GTP and the e-brake. I know plenty of people do annoying things with their cars, but in the balance, bless them for the good work they've done!

Seriously, without the inroads they made over the past twenty years, harkening back to the good old days, we would more likely be looking at a FWD (again) electric"Charger" 

Agreed. Gotta appreciate Mopar for consistently taking these big chances over the years. See: minivan, k-car, Viper (multiple times), Prowler, PT Cruiser, Charger, etc etc. Some great hits, some big misses, but I'm glad they're still swinging for it. 

Yes, PT Cruiser, Big Hit, Much Want, Very Sex

In reply to DirtyBird222 :

We joke about how lame they are, but they sold over a million and the car was a popular icon, for better or worse. Any non-enthusiast knows what they are. It was inarguably a hit.

If I recall right, a twin turbo I6 is largely due to emissions, but also a combination of factors like what power targets they wanted to hit; I bet Stallantis also wants a much smaller engine family now, too.

I really like how this coupe is looking, but I agree the rear quarter and trunk seem stodgy in comparison to the floating front grill. And CCS charging, at this time? Maybe they're going to enter some kind of deal with VW group and Kia/Hyundai to keep CCS around in the US.

In reply to maschinenbau :

But warming the fronts up doesn't help when they're in the air at launch!

I think that Dodge is missing a bet not just calling the electric boost ones, the Dodge Recharger.

Did they even sell any this year? I haven't spotted even one on the street.

In reply to MadScientistMatt :

Press intro coming up very soon. JG to return with a full report. 

Apparently that new Hurrican engine is a disaster, according to Chrysler techs on Reddit:

• "Hey guys, For all the techs at the Chrysler dealers, be aware of the crap going on with the twin turbo Hurricane engines in the DTs. We have had two in a row now with coolant leaks right off the transporter. Found clamps left in tanged open positions, not in the untanged tight set. These are on bypass and heater hoses on left side of engine. Coolant was spraying all over when hot andn running. Took a lil bit of bright light and good visual inspection to actually see down to the lower clamps where the coolant was actually coming from. Guess the raise the Union guys got doesn't include proper assembly, another raise is needed for that. Thought vehicles were run up and inspected before ship out. Lmfao!! Unbelievable!! Retirement cant come soon enough for me."
• "We have had 2 of those at our dealership. The hurricane is a "natural disaster." Thermostats sticking and cooking the engine as well. We have another HO hurricane that keeps losing oil pressure from a suspected self deleted piston sprayer/cooling jet. Fun times. We're gonna miss the almighty Hemi, sure the lifters eat cams, manifolds, and whatnot but that engine was tried and proven. Gone are the days of reliability. Note to add: the manufacturer specifies that the motor does not turn on the cooling fan until the engine temp hits 235. That info is STAR verified with the vehicle tha5s dropping oil pressure at 14 psi."
• "The Hurricane blows. They have the name right. Most of ours on lot run rough on start then almost miraculously clear up setting no fault codes. Then runs rough again. And repeat. Had another brand new one off the truck with constant rough run with coil control circuit fault stored. Had to manipulate harness and found high resistance in the engine wiring when manipulating. Had to order a complete new harness. Unbelievable. My previous student, now an awesome line tech, had one in a Wagoner at 8k destroy a catalytic converter. I'm not sure of where the misfire came from. I might ask him tomorrow."
• "To give a little background, Stellantis laid off a large part of their engine development team when they had just started designing this engine. The high output version of this engine loves to grenade itself. Get ready folks, you're going to see a lot of these things come back with engine problems. And don't even get me started on their new turbo inline 4 with 2 sets of spark plugs and 2 sets of injectors."
• "And everyone likes to E36 M3 all over the mighty 3.6L. They made over 10 million of those and sure some of them break but, percentage wise, the Pentastar is a solid engine. The Hurricane lives up to it's name as a disaster. Plastic thermostat? What could possibly go wrong? If a Wagoneer isn't being towed in it's because the tow truck didn't get there yet. The 1500s are dropping like flies too. As an added bonus, they throw in a TCM that might last 5000 miles before it dies. We see a lot with less than 500 miles, can't turn the ignition off, kills both batteries and then you have to battle the powertrain center for a valve body that they know is garbage."