Here it is. 503 lbs of weight, 267 lb-ft from 1600-3200 RPM, and it comes with the ECU, accelerator pedal, and all the wiring and documentation to make it 50 state legal. I can't wait for word on physical engine size, bellhousing patterns, and kit pricing. Imagine all the things you could put this in!
I'd put it in nothing. If it's from the same light duty line as the 5.0, I do not want.
Edit; it's not an LD engine it's a recycled model from overseas detuned to hit emissions. I think it's a dongfeng motor.
Fred Williams put one in his TJ with an AX15. That's pretty much all I know about this. If a Cummins won't eat an AX15 as a snack, I don't think I care.
I want that stuffed in a 80`s Bronco II
In reply to Chadeux:
Is there a readily available adapter to the AX-15? Jeep guys will probably gobble these things up. Wonder if there's money to be made on swap kits...
Fifty bucks for the first person to put one of those engines in one of these:
EvanR wrote: Fifty bucks for the first person to put one of those engines in one of these:
Can you imagine 'coal rolling' a Prius on that?
Out the door for....$18,000.00?
I highly doubt it would be grassroots priced.
Here's what I think from my old cummins days. The isf was built as a truck engine for china. They aren't selling any in china right now. So they're trying to make some cash.
Furious_E wrote: In reply to Chadeux: Is there a readily available adapter to the AX-15? Jeep guys will probably gobble these things up. Wonder if there's money to be made on swap kits...
Ok I was wrong. They used an NV3550. Advance Adapters made made the adapter kit. Not sure if they plan on selling them or if it was just a thing they did for that project.
Mercury resells a 2.0 diesel marine engine. I wonder if it is this or a VW product.
I think the baby LS motors make similar torque starting at 1800rpm through waaaaay higher than 3200rpm which means gobs more horsepower in a smooth engine at around the same weight.
G_Body_Man wrote: Here it is. 503 lbs of weight, 267 lb-ft from 1600-3200 RPM, and it comes with the ECU, accelerator pedal, and all the wiring and documentation to make it 50 state legal. I can't wait for word on physical engine size, bellhousing patterns, and kit pricing. Imagine all the things you could put this in!
That also pretty much describes a 2-barrel 231 Buick from the 80s. I don't quite see the appeal.
In reply to Knurled:
But it rolls coal bro.
Actually very. Valid points. Won't a tbi 350 do this?
Infact it will http://www.trucktrend.com/how-to/engine/0406st-first-generation-vortec-350-power-upgrades/
So 18 grand vs $500-$1000(for the best running or even newish one).
Diesel fanboi tax.
Let's put on my hat that thinks there is a market here. I don't think people will be repowering trucks with this motor, but could potentially see some people repowering critical field equipment with it. That's a tough case to make. When smaller trucks need a re power people scrap them.
Cummins as a whole is in a weird place. Income is kinda flatish over the past few years. Income and margins are down. They expected trucking in the us to make up for the lack of generator and equipment sales in China, but that hasn't happened. No real new innovation in this space in years. From what I can tell the 5,0 isn't selling well. So they are trying things to drum up high margin business. I'm guessing more layoffs in the future. They've had a few in the past year.
the only 4 cylinder I would want from cummins is the old 4bt just because its a cut down 6bt and uses all the same parts to turn it up.
I currently work for cummins if that gives you any of my opinion on the newer 4 cylinders
Fueled by Caffeine wrote: In reply to Knurled: But it rolls coal bro. Actually very. Valid points. Won't a tbi 350 do this? Infact it will http://www.trucktrend.com/how-to/engine/0406st-first-generation-vortec-350-power-upgrades/ So 18 grand vs $500-$1000(for the best running or even newish one). Diesel fanboi tax. Let's put on my hat that thinks there is a market here. I don't think people will be repowering trucks with this motor, but could potentially see some people repowering critical field equipment with it. That's a tough case to make. When smaller trucks need a re power people scrap them.
$18k was just a guess above. No price has been announced. And for whatever this engine costs, it will meet current emissions standards and have a full manufacturer's warranty. That can make a difference to some potential customers.
From what I can tell, this engine will be the first to be released, but I believe Cummins plans on selling several different engines as "crate motors" to the public. There may not be a huge market, but I think it makes sense to at least offer their products to people that would otherwise be left to try and find used 4BTs in junkyards or whatever.
I think I'd rather have 200 ft-lb at 2000 rpm and have it rise to 360 ft-lb at 2800 rpm.
Probably a cheaper option since you can get shipped to your house with a controls package for $6k
I've wanted a 4BT or 3.3B in my TJ for a while. I love the thought of run on anything resembling oil, very simple wiring, super reliable, and instant torque. There's a weight penalty for sure, but all the other benefits out weighed it in my opinion.
Then I started really paying attention to them, specifically 4BTs. Good grief are they loud. A mix of typical rattly Cummins diesel, with an added dash of off balance large displacement 4 cylinder.
That really stuck with me, my Jeep's a soft top, it's not exactly a Rolls or Bently when it comes to sound attenuation, NVH is bad enough with a soft top, stock 2.5l and oversized tires. Do I really want to add a 4BT to the mix? Do I want to listen to that thing constantly on a trail ride? I'm sure I'd quickly run out of folks who wanted to go wheeling with me if they had to listen to it.
I still like the idea of a 4BT, but in a farm truck, not in a trail/wheeling rig.
4bt was nicknamed "the shaker" inside cummins.
$18k probably isn't far off. I'll guess $10-12k.
I'll also wager "50 state compliant" means finding a home for a DEF system.
This is definitely one of those ideas where the heart wants and the brain says NFW.
For a Jeep Diesel swap, wouldn't a Kubota or Deutz 3 or 4 cyl be a better choice?
Yeah, if they make it 50 state compliant in that powerband, you're talking DOC+SCR at least, which means you also have to deal with DEF. Unless there are different rules somehow for crate engines. The problem is, you could probably get a 2.8 for $5k-$6k, but the aftertreatment will likely double the buy in cost. As a Cummins employee, I'm also curious to see how they price these things.
Also, the 5.0 that they would sell as a crate engine is actually different than the 5.0 in the Titan, in a good way. Still may have some teething issues, but none of the super complicated air handling stuff.
In reply to HappyAndy:
It would be pretty interesting to see someone put an older air cooled Deutz in something.
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