75db sound limit at the property line?!? No racing past 9pm? Granted it's for tracks built after 2021, but if you make improvements to an existing track, you fall under new regulations.
Reading his pinned comment, looks like they put off the vote. Probably bring it up again after the opposition dies down.
That state probably prefers street racing.
In reply to Toyman! :
Yep, this is how it happens.
"Street racers are being unsafe and are creating disturbances!"
*tracks are built, street racing subsides*
"Tracks are noisy and, though I knowingly built my home next to a track that has been operating for 10 years, I am surprised that I hear car noises! Ban the tracks!"
*tracks are forced out of operation, street racing increases*
"Street racers are being unsafe and are creating disturbances!"
Thanks for posting.
Just to put 75 db at the property line into perspective, when Car and Driver tested a 2022 VW GTI (a pretty quiet car in my opinion), they found "At a steady 70 mph, there are 71 decibels...."
I know Lime Rock reached an agreement with a local church/municipality/residents long ago, so maybe the track owners can mitigate the noise appropriately if the proposal passes into law. Maybe a thick line of pine trees around the perimeter would help. Still, it's an added cost of doing business.
In reply to Toyman! :
The staties wouldn't have as many chase and crash videos to post so I'm thinking you nailed it.
As a P.S. to my prior post...
For what it's worth, I grew up on a farm that was about a mile away from a kart track (to the west) and to the East about four miles away was Meadowdale International Raceway. It was a treat in Sundays to open the windows to hear the karts and then the distant roar of the exotic race cars.
As an Arkansan I signed a petition yesterday about this bill. Some of the weird stuff Arkansas comes up with is just bonkers. I'm not sure what track owner pissed off a legislator but that's clearly the genesis of the whole debacle. Maybe he or she built a house near a track and didn't think it would be that bad?
A couple years ago we lost our 25 year old antique registration option because one of the boomers in office didn't think anything newer than the 70s deserved to be considered a classic. It failed the first round but after the outrage died down they slipped it in again with it barely passing. Now the threshold is 45 years.
In reply to Coniglio Rampante :
I have the same fondness of listening to the racers from Firebird, now Talking Stick, from living in south Ahwatukee. Sport bikes, all types of track cars, Top Fuel Dragsters, and suprisingly enough the loudest where always the drag boats. Pipes pointed straight at us, reflecting off the water and off the mountain.
My parents used to live in Arkansas. I remember no zoning near where they lived with million dollar mansions sitting next to 20 year old single wide mobile homes with dirt driveways and cars up on blocks. A very strange place.
In reply to former520 :
I'll never forget the first time I was on the East track at Firebird while they were running top fuel drag boats... at first I thought there was something wrong with my race bike. With a helmet/earplugs, you didn't hear them as much as feel them!
Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter) said:My parents used to live in Arkansas. I remember no zoning near where they lived with million dollar mansions sitting next to 20 year old single wide mobile homes with dirt driveways and cars up on blocks. A very strange place.
Used to ride sport bikes all through NW AR years ago. This was maybe 2005, we stopped at a gas station to get a drink and use the bathroom. No joke, they still had an outhouse for the restroom. Of course this was way out in the middle of nowhere.
brandonsmash said:"Tracks are noisy and, though I knowingly built my home next to a track that has been operating for 10 years, I am surprised that I hear car noises! Ban the tracks!"
I saw on one of Misha Charoudin's recent videos that he has new neighbors who moved into the almost 100 year old mecca of motorsports, right next to a building that has at least 2 race shops in it, and immediately called him and said that if they hear engines revving outside his shop again they'll call the cops.
I'd like to think those new neighbors might be the world champions at this game but it's more likely that they're totally average players.
GameboyRMH said:brandonsmash said:"Tracks are noisy and, though I knowingly built my home next to a track that has been operating for 10 years, I am surprised that I hear car noises! Ban the tracks!"
I saw on one of Misha Charoudin's recent videos that he has new neighbors who moved into the almost 100 year old mecca of motorsports, right next to a building that has at least 2 race shops in it, and immediately called him and said that if they hear engines revving outside his shop again they'll call the cops.
I'd like to think those new neighbors might be the world champions at this game but it's more likely that they're totally average players.
I can't speak to this incident or others but I know that there is a fine line between being polite and neighborly and what not.
if I used the calculator correctly 95db at 6' is 75db at 60' so assuming the track is at least 60' inside of the property line or has some form of noise barrier a 75db limit at the property line should be okay for most cars that abide by the 95db limit.
Weird. People have put mansions like ten feet above the AR river, just outside Little Rock. Gotta love how selective oversight can be.
GameboyRMH said:brandonsmash said:"Tracks are noisy and, though I knowingly built my home next to a track that has been operating for 10 years, I am surprised that I hear car noises! Ban the tracks!"
I saw on one of Misha Charoudin's recent videos that he has new neighbors who moved into the almost 100 year old mecca of motorsports, right next to a building that has at least 2 race shops in it, and immediately called him and said that if they hear engines revving outside his shop again they'll call the cops.
I'd like to think those new neighbors might be the world champions at this game but it's more likely that they're totally average players.
It's not limited to non-car people. There was a guy on this forum who said he lived in "a very rural area" but was mad that his neighbor's kid rode a four-wheeler that he could hear. I think some people just want to live in a sanctuary complelety free of sound and expect everyone to bend to their demands.
GameboyRMH said:brandonsmash said:"Tracks are noisy and, though I knowingly built my home next to a track that has been operating for 10 years, I am surprised that I hear car noises! Ban the tracks!"
I saw on one of Misha Charoudin's recent videos that he has new neighbors who moved into the almost 100 year old mecca of motorsports, right next to a building that has at least 2 race shops in it, and immediately called him and said that if they hear engines revving outside his shop again they'll call the cops.
I'd like to think those new neighbors might be the world champions at this game but it's more likely that they're totally average players.
Nah, they're just Germans being proper Germans. And people wonder why I emigrated.
Hell is German pensioners in charge of your HOA.
It always amazes me when I hear of states adopting more draconian laws than California. You Razorbacks best keep your liberal ways out of CA!
But seriously, best luck to you guys beating this nonsense down.
ClearWaterMS said:I can't speak to this incident or others but I know that there is a fine line between being polite and neighborly and what not.
if I used the calculator correctly 95db at 6' is 75db at 60' so assuming the track is at least 60' inside of the property line or has some form of noise barrier a 75db limit at the property line should be okay for most cars that abide by the 95db limit.
95 db at 6 feet sounds like SAE J1169 or J1492? Those specifically say they are intended for use with vehicles at "reasonable loads and speeds", in the context of normal road use. Race tracks are different and cars make a lot more noise in that environment than they do motoring down the freeway.
Doing some back-of-the-envelope math, using Laguna Seca limits as a starting point (90 db measured 125 feet from the track centerline), you'd need a buffer of 700 feet of open space to get down to 75 db. 90 db is punishingly low, many completely stock vehicles will fail it, and a "loud" track day has a limit of 103 db. To get that you need 5600 feet of open space.
codrus (Forum Supporter) said:ClearWaterMS said:I can't speak to this incident or others but I know that there is a fine line between being polite and neighborly and what not.
if I used the calculator correctly 95db at 6' is 75db at 60' so assuming the track is at least 60' inside of the property line or has some form of noise barrier a 75db limit at the property line should be okay for most cars that abide by the 95db limit.95 db at 6 feet sounds like SAE J1169 or J1492? Those specifically say they are intended for use with vehicles at "reasonable loads and speeds", in the context of normal road use. Race tracks are different and cars make a lot more noise in that environment than they do motoring down the freeway.
Doing some back-of-the-envelope math, using Laguna Seca limits as a starting point (90 db measured 125 feet from the track centerline), you'd need a buffer of 700 feet of open space to get down to 75 db. 90 db is punishingly low, many completely stock vehicles will fail it, and a "loud" track day has a limit of 103 db. To get that you need 5600 feet of open space.
Thank you for clarifying that. I know Laguna Seca's was 90db at 125' and I know that is tough for some stock exhausts at full tilt let alone.
so what would be a reasonable "at the property line" limit that would be easy to achieve for tracks that exist near residential areas? is 90db at the property line reasonable?
ClearWaterMS said:so what would be a reasonable "at the property line" limit that would be easy to achieve for tracks that exist near residential areas? is 90db at the property line reasonable?
This gets heavily tied up in politics. It's pretty rare for a race track to be built near residential areas, if only because tracks need a lot of land and that gets pretty expensive. The much more common situation is where a track is built in a rural area and 20 or 30 years later the expansion of cities results in houses getting built nearby.
So "reasonable" noise levels at the property line depends on what's on the other side of that line. Is it a subdivision, a field full of cows, or empty desert?
Build a sound berm/sink the track below grade.
I once went to the circle track just outside of Madison, WI for an asphalt late model special. Cars were doing qualifying when I got there and you could barely hear them in the parking lot. It was at least two stories up to the entry gate and that was the top of the bleachers with the track sunk down like being at Bristol. Very loud inside the bowl and by design it sent the noise up into the sky vs outward. Where the bleachers weren't was thick trees for more sounds control too.
It struck me as well designed and thought out specifically for sounds control while providing great viewing
I grew up in north San Diego County. I remember hearing the thunderboat races (V12-powered speedboats) in Mission Bay - 15 MILES away. Still makes me smile.
In reply to Asphalt_Gundam :
technology got us into this mess, it can get us out too.
fidelity101 said:In reply to Asphalt_Gundam :
technology got us into this mess, it can get us out too.
The EV community is happy to hear that...
fidelity101 said:In reply to Asphalt_Gundam :
technology got us into this mess, it can get us out too.
buy all the neighbors noise cancelling airpods? :)
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