Joshua
Dork
12/24/13 1:56 p.m.
If you were going to build a truck or Jeep for road racing (Lemons/Chump), how would you do it? What would be your starting point, what motor, front or rear engined, RWD or 4WD, transmission/transfer case etc.?
Just an exercise to keep everyone thinking during the cold months!
NGTD
Dork
12/24/13 2:00 p.m.
From what I have read re: the Challenge - RWD Jeep Cherokee 4.0L I-6.
Ranger/Mazda B series with the biggest engine I could fit in the frame rails (or some insane s4/s5 rotary swap)
I don't think a normal 4WD system would be good for extended high speed track use let alone the weight penalty, So I think any 2WD seems as though it would be the best with some sort or rear gear swap.
Any 2wd "mini"truck with a V6/manual. Lower it. Block off the complete front end. Go drive.
fanfoy
HalfDork
12/24/13 2:11 p.m.
Definitly 2WD. 4WD isn't means for the track unless you find something that's AWD, with a center differential (not a transfer case).
I would go 2WD Jeep. These have had great sucess in Lemons, and as we know from the challenge, they can handle.
A Chevy S-10 gets my vote. All the G-body race stuff bolts on. 2.8/3.1 V6 revs good, is light, and easy to work on.
Why not a Mercury Mountaineer AWD with a V8? Up here they're stupid cheap and plentiful.
Gut it and save a couple hundred lbs? Still pretty heavy I guess.
Gearheadotaku wrote:
A Chevy S-10 gets my vote. All the G-body race stuff bolts on. 2.8/3.1 V6 revs good, is light, and easy to work on.
bingo
plentiful, cheap and good aftermarket too
4.3 5 speed S10? I wonder if cutting off two cylinders makes the SBC more reliable in crapcan racing.
FYI the transfer case on my 4Runner says to not drive over 50 mph in 4 high.
I think you could have a Nissan Hardbody truck with a V6 and RWD. I know that NISMO had go fast parts for these trucks in the past, I don't know about now.
Even if you couldn't find a V6, the Z24, and KA24 engines that these came with aren't bad no matter what the tuner people say.
pres589
UltraDork
12/24/13 7:50 p.m.
Mazda B2200, 2wd. Simple, light, cheap. Seems to run forever on the street with little attention.
S10 with a Bravada/Astro awd transfer case.
Dodge Dakota was available with a v8, and one of the grand Cherokee awd transfer cases might swap in for awd.
I have a 3.9 dakota with a 3 speed auto that handles the work truck abuse I throw at it now. It would probably handle it.
For further S-10 mods, I'd try to rig up a 3 link rear suspension from a 3rd/4th gen Camaro. You'd gain disc brakes and better axle articulation.
In reply to oldopelguy:
I autocrossed my ex's '00 Dakota V8…once.
For weight distribution reasons I think I'd go Cherokee or a 2 door S10 Blazer over a pickup. Of the two I'd lean toward the Cherokee for the 4 link rear suspension. The S10 does have a better choice of j/y engine swaps available though.
I wouldn't even try to run an early Exploder, besides the whole less than reliable 2.9/4.0 V6 after the whole rollover fiasco I think it might get super tight scrutiny at tech.
Don't think I'd worry with 4WD/AWD, unless it rains the whole time you'd just be dragging a bunch of HP gobbling weight for no real gain.
Short tires would be a cheap way to get the gearing a bit better.
I have ton more pics. Stock suspension + old crusty B-Stone Duelers
Wasn't that you who did burnouts all the way up the lot at BMW one year?
My dad has a piece of E36 M3 s10 painted 9 different faded colors with half an interior and a five speed. I think it just needs a radiator. It had popped into my head to maybe turn it into a rallycross beater and this thread is kind of encouraging me.
Vigo
UberDork
12/26/13 12:07 a.m.
Dakotas can definitely be made to handle and can be borderline fast with 'stock' drivetrains.
Fueled by Caffeine wrote:
Go find Butch King
I've seen that thing in action, very impressive!
Dakotas do work pretty well and can be improved. I autoxed my 00 Dakota R/T for a season, wasn't too bad. It was a mostly stock R/T lowered 2", but it did tend to push and needed better brakes. But for a 4150 lb truck, it did fairly well, considering it had a bit over 2600 lbs on the front tires. Kinda miss that truck now, it was fun to drive.
R/T in action