92CelicaHalfTrac wrote:cutter67 wrote: SR20 motor there is a ton of aftermarket support many stand alone fuel management systems out there and you can build HPIt's not a terrible motor, but a lateral move at best.
yeah, you gotta throw more than just a little money at an SR20DE to make more than 200 hp. Its a great motor, dont get me wrong. But its no beast. And, RWD versions are becoming difficult to find. SR20VEt is even more rare, but is a more capable motor.
4cylndrfury wrote:92CelicaHalfTrac wrote:yeah, you gotta throw more than just a little money at an SR20DE to make more than 200 hp. Its a great motor, dont get me wrong. But its no beast. And, RWD versions are becoming difficult to find. SR20VEt is even more rare, but is a more capable motor.cutter67 wrote: SR20 motor there is a ton of aftermarket support many stand alone fuel management systems out there and you can build HPIt's not a terrible motor, but a lateral move at best.
I'm guessing he's talking about the SR20DET fwiw. That said, there's been a few threads on the various Miata boards lately about swapping them into Miatas, and the cost of such a project is 110% 
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Basically... for the cost of swapping in a stock SR20DET that might make low 200s whp, i could have a 3tc in the Corolla knocking on 400whp, which would require a built motor out of the SR20 anyways. The SR20 would just be playing catch-up from the very beginning, and likely wouldn't pull through on dollar/hp ratio until you were looking for WELL over 500whp, and i don't think OP is looking for an utter deathbox.
it's what you like that counts you can battle back and forth on which is better all day long and still everyone walks away like they won. i am a nissan/datsun man thru and thru so i look at the SR20 motors as all nissan products thru rose colored glasses.
cutter67 wrote: it's what you like that counts you can battle back and forth on which is better all day long and still everyone walks away like they won. i am a nissan/datsun man thru and thru so i look at the SR20 motors as all nissan products thru rose colored glasses.
LOL!!!
Fair enough, wasn't really knocking the SR20, it just comes back to what you said before. 
But if we're going to get crazy with 4-bangers, i want to see this corolla impregnated with a 3sgte. 
Ok Half Trac, you have me interested in building the 3TC. I would prefer something with a V but I am listening if you have some knowledge on how to build a 300 whp 3tc for little money (and I mean like used parts and hand tools little).
this is nice but not cheap
How is that not cheap? The motor with pretty much everything to run it can be bought and shipped to me house for under 1K.
Also in a similar vein is the 3SGE Beams from the IS200 in Japan. Parts would be a bitch but I think that it would satisfy my need for speed.
the basic motor but you are looking at almost 4k there when it was all said and done
How? I do my own labor, build my own parts. I am not seeing it.
Didn't you say this was your first swap? Things have a habit of being far more expensive than you expect. There's no way to make everything you need to do a swap. Well, unless you're planning on a 10-year process and already have every tool you could ever possibly need.
cutter67 wrote: this is nice but not cheap
Those motors are dirt cheap... one could easily get one running and driving in his Corolla for under $2k. Megasquirt, some sheet metal mounts, and any old transmission that bolts up.
singleslammer wrote: Ok Half Trac, you have me interested in building the 3TC. I would prefer something with a V but I am listening if you have some knowledge on how to build a 300 whp 3tc for little money (and I mean like used parts and hand tools little).
I admit i don't know a TON about these motors other than they're old school, and ridiculously strong. You'd want to convert to EFI, so that can be a bit of a pain, but the aftermarket and information is all out there. Let me see what i can dig up in terms of a guide and i'll report back.
In reply to dculberson:
Yeah, but 4x the price of the engine on a well documented swap that should be pretty straight forward. Half trac I think has a better estimate.
I'm trying to find a guide for the 3TC-T that i like still... but in the meantime, might i suggest an F2T?
hahahahahaha.... there are SOOOOOOO many options put forth, it is best you define NOW exactly what you want when you are done.
Do to overall engine compartment limitations, the most compact V8 and 5 speed(Ford Windsor, and T5) would make the best V8 swap. The Ford is also not enormously heavy.
The E7 wagon uses different rear suspension(leaf) then the other E7 cars(coils) this may, or may not add in getting the car balanced after getting the V8 swap in
My favorite swap.... a well worked 4AGE...
My E7 enginebay
Other advantages to an "A" engine...
a) it is an easy swap...
b) nothing needs fabrication, there are factory parts and bits that make it all go together.
c) very good gas mileage.
For torque... you also might consider swapping in a mid 90s 7AFE(not modified to be a 7AGE)... that provides substantial low end torque, and very good gas mileage.
Yeah, you need to have a clear direction up front. Street car only, I'd go with the 4AG or one of the V6's for ease of packaging, reliability and general overall daily worthiness, for instance you could easily add A/C etc. Autocross use, you need to look at the rule book because you could wind up in $$$$$ 'X Prepared' $$$$$ real quick. As it is, that's probably where you will wind up, which may or may not be important to you.
The V8's can be done (there is a really cool Lexus powered 1980 running around) but they will be a lot more work, plus you are going to move a fair amount of weight ahead of the front axle centerline unless you cut the firewall. (Firewall cutting bumps you straight to Modified in AX, BTW.) That changes the polar moment of inertia which can lead to ugliness in turns.
Lexus powered Corolla goodness:
Notice he's classed in SM. That's because the engine and body are from the same manufacturer. Very broad definition: different make of engine/body without firewall cut = XP, different makes with firewall cut = Modified. But you need to check the rulebook first!
92CelicaHalfTrac wrote:cutter67 wrote: this is nice but not cheapThose motors are dirt cheap... one could easily get one running and driving in his Corolla for under $2k. Megasquirt, some sheet metal mounts, and any old transmission that bolts up.
with the machine work and all the aftermarket he has in this motor he spent 4k. he wanted something different when he built it and when he opens it up the sound of the stacks makes all the work and money worth it
cutter67 wrote:92CelicaHalfTrac wrote:with the machine work and all the aftermarket he has in this motor he spent 4k. he wanted something different when he built it and when he opens it up the sound of the stacks makes all the work and money worth itcutter67 wrote: this is nice but not cheapThose motors are dirt cheap... one could easily get one running and driving in his Corolla for under $2k. Megasquirt, some sheet metal mounts, and any old transmission that bolts up.
Oh my bad... was just considering stock motor which has ITBs anyways. 
This will be a street car with some corner carving. That is about it. There is no good auto-x nearby and I get my racing fix with Clem Sparks at the back 40. Handling is important but it isn't ever going to handle like my spyder so no use in being too worried about that. I want something with fuel injection, decent power (realistically 200 hp is plenty), cheap (motor has to be able to found for under 1k), a decently easily attached RWD manual that is also cheap (I have a w58 sitting in my garage that needs a home), needs some torque (even though the silver top is super sexy), and I want it to be at least somewhat unique (no 16v 4age in other words, a turbo 3tc is interesting though).
Hope that gives some better guidelines.
Well, crap. If you already have the W58 and the bellhousing will work I'd look into a V6 from a early '90's 4Runner or Tacoma. Done. Even keeps it all in the fambly. From what little Googling I have done it looks like the V6 b/h will take the W58. Grab a complete 4Runner for cheap (I quickly found a 1994 with a bad A/T for $1700 OBO on the local CL), get the motor radiator and electronics, sell the axles etc to the 4x4 guys for spares, sell the hulk for scrap, profit.
By the way, that's the best way to do a swap: buy a complete running wrecked car. That way you get the motor, electrics, radiator, wiring, and various other bits which would otherwise you would be running around in circles hunting and spending $ for.
well you could go old school 
good old 22R
Anyone know if an 18rgeu will bolt up to a W58?
i believe you need r65 bellhousing to make it work
if this was a nissan question i would know for sure
Yeah, I had a 93 4runner for a couple of years. The 3vz-e in those is a turd. The 5vz-fe in the newer 4runners and tacomas (96+) is pretty good but it is pricey and neither will mate to the w58. The w series is for NA straight six motors and 4 cylinders. I think an RZ motor (4cyl tacoma) could be interesting. They take crazy boost too! Not quite drop in but it has the proper orientation and is widely available.
Ranger posted one earlier.
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13b (nvm you needed torques)
sr20
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