Since its AWD is there a way to make it run on the front motor only?
Since its AWD is there a way to make it run on the front motor only?
Gearheadotaku (Forum Supporter) said:Since its AWD is there a way to make it run on the front motor only?
I was also thinking of the irony of having a dual-powertrain car that's undriveable because one doesn't work.
Oooh, a 5,500lb, 250hp fwd sedan...
said no one ever.
Mr_Asa said:wae said:codrus (Forum Supporter) said:I also feel that regardless of one's opinion of the CEO's politics, a purchase like a car should be made on its own merits.
How do we feel about Porsches, Volkswagens, and Fords, for example...
It sounds like the decision is already made, but the pricing isn't out of line with a "power unit" repair on any other luxury car. They wanted 21k to do an engine on mine, so you're getting out cheap!
Are the CEOs actively participating in politics on the same level? If not, not sure how you compare em.
Also. Its a used vehicle. You aren't providing money to the company at that point.
Are you aware of Mr. Henry Ford's history?
racerfink said:Oooh, a 5,500lb, 250hp fwd sedan...
said no one ever.
This sounds terrible but it's how Rivian pickups operate most of the time on the street.
GameboyRMH said:Gearheadotaku (Forum Supporter) said:Since its AWD is there a way to make it run on the front motor only?
I was also thinking of the irony of having a dual-powertrain car that's undriveable because one doesn't work.
There's a printer toner joke in here.
In reply to Pete. (l33t FS) :
Yep, there sure is, but it's not working.
wae said:
It sounds like the decision is already made, but the pricing isn't out of line with a "power unit" repair on any other luxury car. They wanted 21k to do an engine on mine, so you're getting out cheap!
My DD is getting a new transmission. Dealer quote was not very different than this power unit replacement. Any my car is a berkeleying Transit Connect. Its far from a luxury car. Also, it has 100k and its significantly newer than this Tesla.
Perspective is wild
racerfink said:Oooh, a 5,500lb, 250hp fwd sedan...
said no one ever.
Side blinks in Fisker Karma
Keith Tanner said:The Hertz loss was in large part because Tesla was cutting the MSRP on new cars, which of course drove down the resale of used ones. There was a lot of weirdness in the market.
IIRC, they were getting in more accidents than the rest of the fleet and took forever to get fixed as well.
mfennell said:Keith Tanner said:The Hertz loss was in large part because Tesla was cutting the MSRP on new cars, which of course drove down the resale of used ones. There was a lot of weirdness in the market.
IIRC, they were getting in more accidents than the rest of the fleet and took forever to get fixed as well.
And they were getting rid of them en masse because it turned out that they bought all those EVs without the infrastructure to ensure that people renting them received them with a full charge.
That was Hertz, right?
Pete. (l33t FS) said:they bought all those EVs without the infrastructure to ensure that people renting them received them with a full charge.
That was Hertz, right?
That was pretty much all rental companies, but yeah Hertz was the largest (dumbest) in this area.
racerfink said:Oooh, a 5,500lb, 250hp fwd sedan...
said no one ever.
Better than a 5,500lb paper weight.
TravisTheHuman said:Pete. (l33t FS) said:they bought all those EVs without the infrastructure to ensure that people renting them received them with a full charge.
That was Hertz, right?
That was pretty much all rental companies, but yeah Hertz was the largest (dumbest) in this area.
Some friends and I rented a car in Vegas a few months ago. We were pointed to an electric Genesis--fine, whatever, we were only going to drive 100 miles or so--except it had a nearly dead battery sitting on the rental lot. Yeah, no--we complained and got a gas car.
Chris Tropea said:
At the time, the Tesla brand carried the controversy of a weirdo at the helm and long waits for replacement parts. It hadn’t yet become associated with the systematic disassembly of our government.
Disclaimer: GRM is my favorite forum. I'm a subscriber that's been coming here and receiving the wisdom of The Hive for almost 12 years now. The occasional political jab likely won't influence that for someone like me. The staff here at GRM is filled with talented writers, racers and engineers and I generally enjoy the content you work hard to put out. I would certainly agree that Elon is a bit of an odd cat that's likely somewhere on the spectrum if we're being honest.
With that said, I'm also a former Tesla owner that's actually a bit of a fan of the weirdo and his disassembly of our bloated government. I'm sure I'm not the only GRM'er that feels that way. Even though most of us likely come to GRM to talk about cars and avoid talking politics with our fellow gearhead brothers, regardless of what side of of the non-car aisle we might fall on.
Good luck with the repair, brother! Hopefully you can figure out a [at least slightly?] cheaper solution. Thank you for sharing the eye-opening potential costs of owning a 10+ year old Tesla- best of luck getting it sorted out and back on the road!
I totally understand, the intent wasn't to argue politics--Chris merely mentioned the fact that the brand is extremely controversial now. And that really, really matters to his decision whether or not to keep the car, because this is the current dealership experience:
Again, we don't need to fight about whether or not this is good for the country. But I don't think anyone can argue this is good for Chris's 10-year-old Model S.
Can it be taken apart to replace the seal, flush the contaminated area and hope for the best. What is the worst that can happen?
In reply to Noddaz :
Electronics and water don't mix.
High voltage electronics and water REALLY don't mix.
My guess is the the magic smoke is already gone as well as some of the physical parts of the high voltage circuit.
It's too bad Tesla won't sell just the control boards for the drive unit. Stocking 100s of power unit parts probably places too much strain on their already questionable parts system whereas stocking the entire assembly is pretty easy from a tracking and stocking perspective.
I've seen a video about the Mercedes B series electric that talks about this exact drive unit seal failure.
It's a design flaw that will happen to every single vehicle using this unit, including the Mercedes B electric ones.
I wonder if the housings are flexing under the torque loads and could be causing the seal failures.
In reply to Toyman! :
It could also just be corrosion undermining the seal surface, or the seal material taking a set and no longer having enough elasticity to stay sealed. That the failures are happening now and not when they were new seems to suggest this.
I did a TINY bit of reading and it sounds like it's more than just the inverter. The coolant originally went around the rotor and that's the part that leaks, they now don't cool the rotor directly so the coolant doesn't leak onto the rotor. If the rotor on the motor is corroded from coolant I can imagine that being a pretty involved repair. Probably something they want to send it to a central rebuilding location to repair, so swapping the assembly makes sense. They apparently do the rotor coolant delete when they refurbish the unit.
Also, sounds like Tesla can do the repair for less than $9k but it's also still expensive. One person on Reddit had a bill for $6,400 for a new unit and an estimate for $6,000 for a refurb.
In reply to Tom Suddard :
I think some of the frustration is that politics are more frequently being injected into discussions by staff and moderators. This isn't even just a forum topic, it's an article. The appearance is that when a political topic is brought up, it isn't considered political if it's of the "correct" view. Until someone counters with an opposing view, then it's political and must be shut down.
Chris didn't "merely mention the fact that the brand is extremely controversial now." That would have been completely appropriate, and doesn't indicate a position on the topic. He said "It hadn’t yet become associated with the systematic disassembly of our government." Those are not the same thing. One is biased and invites a counter argument, the other does not.
secretariata (Forum Supporter) said:Check on the ECU or whatever they call the main brain box. I think 2014 is right around the time Tesla switched from the 1st model to the 2nd model. The 1st model has the solid state memory with a limited number of flops that started going bad, which was partially blamed on the OTA update frequency. I think the part was about $2.5k when I was considering one of these a few years ago.
This was sort of two different things. The MCU1 and MCU2 change was the whole central computer, including the display. You could upgrade to MCU2 if you had an MCU1 car, and that was in the $2,000 range or so. The storage module you're talking about was fixed for free, and was just a component of the MCU. They had originally installed, I think, an 8 GB module; and then later something considerably larger--perhaps 64 GB. Both are solid state, but with the significantly larger capacity, you'd get a longer lifespan because you had more memory to spread the read and write cycles over.
It sounds like EV's would benefit from the use of a non conductive coolant?
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