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02Pilot
02Pilot UltraDork
3/31/21 9:50 a.m.

So circumstances have arisen that make it possible for me to consider buying a car with the express idea of using it for roadtrips, including my long-desired cross-country drive. The conundrum is whether to opt for something older and American, as this fits my idealized vision of a proper roadtrip car, or to buy something newer (this something is quite specific, actually, but more on that in a moment) and bask in things like reliability and air conditioning. This is for two people only, so no worries about space. Comfort is a significant factor, obviously, including noise, so convertibles are out. Budget yet to be finalized, but let's say in the neighborhood of $25k for the sake of argument.

The old American option would be something late 50s to early-mid 60s. I'm vaguely partial to Fords (family history), but this is hardly more than a loose starting point. Thunderbirds fit the bill, as do some of the big GM two door hardtops; I'm sure there are many others that would work out just fine. Air conditioning that can be made to work would be a huge plus. As with any older car, mechanical issues are always possible, so it should be something without major problem areas and with widespread parts availability. Obscurity is not a virtue in this case. Wafting down the highway in couch-like comfort, turning the clock back sixty or so years if you squint just right, would be the realization of a fantasy I've harbored for far too long.

The newer car in question would be an ND Miata RF. I've considered buying a Miata several times since the original came out thirty years ago, but never pulled the trigger, partially because I couldn't convince myself that I wanted to live with a convertible. The NC PRHT was tempting, but the ND RF is really, really tempting. The thought of hopping in and driving west in one, without waking up every morning with the nagging worries that are inherent to an older car, has an appeal all its own. And the ND seems as though it would be a better long roadtrip car than any previous Miata, as well as allowing me to enjoy smaller backroads far more than an American land yacht ever would. And it would be a lot cheaper to run (not a huge consideration, but gas prices are on the upswing again).

The third option, of course, would be to use an existing car. There are three in the fleet to choose from. The 89 Saab 900S is right out for all the reasons. My 74 2002 would be great for nostalgia, not great for turning close to 4k RPM at highway speeds. The 128i is in some ways a great choice for this kind of trip, and the only realistic contender. But it is pushing 140k miles, and there's still a weird drivetrain (or possibly exhaust) resonance nobody seems to be able to track down. I can live with the risk of something going kaboom within a semi-reasonable distance from home, or at least in my usual New England stomping grounds, but having had the experience of catastrophic mechanical failure 1,000 miles from home in unfamiliar territory (Saab 9-5 turbo failure, 1am, I-95 in South Carolina) I'm not thrilled with the prospect of revisiting that particular aspect of the roadtrip, no matter how remote the possibility might be.

This isn't the result of a sudden midlife crisis (I've been dealing with the slow-onset version of that for at least two decades), but it feels like the right time to pursue it. I have the opportunity - I don't want to let it slip through my fingers.

So what's the hive's long-haul roadtrip recommendation here? Old cruiser or new Miata? Or is there something else I haven't considered? Help me decide how to spend my money!

rslifkin
rslifkin UberDork
3/31/21 9:54 a.m.

What about something modern that's a big, comfy cruiser like the old American car?  Ditch the firmer sport suspension and I'd say my E38 would be a darn good road trip car (not that it's bad at all with the firmer suspension).  V8 versions without the shorter sport gearing are good for 25 - 27 mpg on the highway, will cruise happily at any speed, they're big, comfy, huge trunk, etc.  And as long as you keep up on maintenance, they're reliable.  Plus, they have some of the best A/C I've ever experienced in a car.  And they handle a lot better than you'd expect for something so big. 

Reliability-wise, do the timing chain guides from the start if they haven't already been done (or buy the V12, sacrifice a few mpg and make that a non-issue).  Treat the suspension and cooling system parts like consumables and you shouldn't have much in the way of failures or unexpected issues. 

Professor_Brap (Forum Supporter)
Professor_Brap (Forum Supporter) UltraDork
3/31/21 9:56 a.m.

Did someone say comfortable road trip car? Domestic, v8? Pick your corvette. 

bmw88rider (Supportive Dude)
bmw88rider (Supportive Dude) UltraDork
3/31/21 10:01 a.m.

I understand the nostalgia and charm of taking a 50s-60s car on a long road trip but the reality of it may be a different situation. Average to poor AC, lot of potential issues can arise even with a well restored one. I would look old merc if you wanted to go this route. Something like the W108 or W114 chassis would be a lot of fun. There was a series in the Classic Motorsports side of the gang here doing just that in one of those cars a few years ago. 

 

I would look at a Japanese road cruiser if it was me and tops on my list would be the Infiniti M45. Sporty enough to have fun if the road turns twisty. 

yupididit
yupididit PowerDork
3/31/21 10:06 a.m.

2008-2013 S550 

mr2s2000elise
mr2s2000elise UltraDork
3/31/21 10:15 a.m.

I have done 8 cross country trips in the USA. 

Here is what I have used

 

  • Lotus Elise (new)
  • SC300
  • LS430 (2006 model) 
  • Ducati 748
  • NC2 PRHT GT (new)
  • 95 NA Miata R
  • 04 MSM (new)
  • 07 S2000 (new)

 

 

 

My trips have included everything from 5 day runs, to 30 day strolls, but all included days of 18-22 hour drives, etc. 

My top 3 in the order was Sc300, Elise, LS430

 

 

Given the options you provided, ND is the only one I would consider.

ShinnyGroove (Forum Supporter)
ShinnyGroove (Forum Supporter) HalfDork
3/31/21 10:17 a.m.

What kind of road trips are we talking about here?  Weekend trips 3-4 hours away or month long cross-country trips?  And what kind of budget are we working with?

For my own preferences, old American heavy metal would be a hard no.  Sounds romantic but the practical aspects of living with one on a road trip would drive me bananas.

I feel like basically all newer cars are designed specifically to meet your needs, so the world is pretty much your oyster here.  ND RF is a fantastic car for the weekend trips but I wouldn't want to drive one across the U.S.  Too cramped for passengers, too little room for cargo.  But in that general direction and budget- a 987.2 or 981 base Cayman with 18" wheels, highway tires and factory exhaust would be about perfect.  I bought mine for specifically this purpose.  Same general idea as the Miata but much more spacious/comfortable cabin and much more room for luggage.  It's a really nice place to spend time.  I know you said no convertibles but the Boxster from the same era is quiet and comfortable on the highway and you have the option of dropping the top when you want.

ultraclyde (Forum Supporter)
ultraclyde (Forum Supporter) UltimaDork
3/31/21 10:33 a.m.

If I had to pick up a lightly used car today, just for driving long distance it would be a Genesis G80 with the 5L V8.  PreCovid I was using a shuttle service to the airport that ran one and it was awesome. I never drove it, but the ride was better than any of the similar Mercs or Caddys I've encountered in my business travel. The driver loved the car too. Quiet, powerful, and just understated enough. 

 

I might also consider a last-gen Lincoln Town Car, with the AWD and the EcoBoost. Talk about the modern take on a 50s classic, they ride great and look awesome. The EB puts some serious poer down too. 

John Welsh
John Welsh Mod Squad
3/31/21 10:44 a.m.

I focused on this sentence:  
Wafting down the highway in couch-like comfort, turning the clock back sixty or so years if you squint just right, would be the realization of a fantasy I've harbored for far too long.

Sixty years is a long way back.  That puts you in a 1961 car.  How about not that far back?  What is a good compromise of being modern enough while still being nostalgic?  Half that or thirty years puts you in a 1991 car.  Just 25 years puts you at 1996.  Often 25 year old cars are considered classic.  Then, if 25 years we need to choose a car that people kept around in top shape or at least good shape.  

Here's a left field choice...Buick Riviera.  I would focus on two choices in the Riviera Generations.  That is either the:

1979-1985:

or 1995-1999

Ranger50
Ranger50 UltimaDork
3/31/21 11:02 a.m.

I want something that I can goto any FLAPS or JY and get parts for without having to wait in Anywhere USA. For me, that is just about any GM or Ford from the past 30 years. If I stick with something stupid like a Caravan or Ram P/U, Mopar would be in the mix. 

Lowered DR body, 02-up, quad cab Ram 1500 with a 5.7 in silver.... :drool:

John Welsh
John Welsh Mod Squad
3/31/21 11:16 a.m.

Interior quietness is another good thing for long drive fatique.  

I googled up Quietest cars of 2020 and got this list:
(some surprises on the list like Elantra)

  • Audi A8
  • Mercedes-Benz S550e
  • Kia Optima
  • Cadillac CT6
  • Tesla Model S
  • Lexus GS
  • Audi A6
  • Kia K900
  • Toyota Prius
  • Hyundai 2019 Elantra
  • 2019 Ram 1500
  • 2020 Lincoln Navigator
  • 2019 Honda Odyssey
  • 2019 Mercedes-Benz S-Class
  • 2020 Chevrolet Traverse
  • 2019 Honda CR-V
  • 2020 Buick Enclave
  • 2019 Mercedes-Benz E-Class
  • 2019 Chrysler Pacifica
  • 2019 Genesis G80
  • 2019 Honda Ridgeline
  • 2019 Audi Allroad

 

I then tried to go older and found this list from 2013 

Lexus LS 600h                   65.9 dBA
Mercedes S-class               68.7
BMW 5-series                     69.1
Volvo V70                            69.5
Renault Mègane                 69.6
Audi A6                                 69.9
Volvo S80                            70.6
VW Tiguan                          70.7
Toyota Prius                        71.3
VW Passat                           71.4

 

Volvo V70 would mean great seats but also a wagon area that folds flat allowing for stretched out rest!  Lexus GS jumps out at me too.  

 

amg_rx7 (Forum Supporter)
amg_rx7 (Forum Supporter) SuperDork
3/31/21 11:20 a.m.

My vote would be a 2011+ Mustang convertible. I've been on the hunt for one but hard to find a 5.0, mt, convertible at a price I want. 

Gas would suck but it would be fun - yolo :)


Defintely not a NA Miata or anything geared similarly like your 2002.

ClearWaterMS
ClearWaterMS New Reader
3/31/21 11:57 a.m.

I will second the corvette for 25k you can get a c6 LS3 car with relatively low miles that was probably pretty well taken care of.  It won't have a spare tire so plan accordingly (either run run-flats or carry an inflator and a AAA card) but other than that its a pretty good choice.  My wife and I did that a few years ago we took a 1 week 2000+ mile road trip that started in north eastern Ohio and went to Asheville and a few other places.  This included great driving roads like the triple nickel, deals gap, blue ridge parkway and several others.  The car got almost 30 miles to the gallon, the AC worked without issue and the seats, etc. were plenty comfortable.  We were able to store 9 days of clothing, 2 backpacks with electronics in them, a cooler, a small box of snacks, and an emergency kit with some hand tools, road flares, and other emergency road side stuff.  

 

The only thing about the Corvette is that the passenger seat has less leg room than the drivers seat so if you're tall and your driving partner isn't you may find the passenger seat cramped.  

 

One idea for you... if you do this, pack lighter than you think you need, consider not bringing any extra t-shirts, etc.  The idea being is that you can stop along your trip and buy souvenir t-shirts/sweat shirts/etc.  So effectively you will come back from your trip with more laundry than you left with and each of those shirts will be a constant reminder of the amazing trip you took.  

californiamilleghia
californiamilleghia SuperDork
3/31/21 12:04 p.m.

And after driving what are you going to do ?

I think you need to have room for a couple very comfortable folding chairs and an ice chest and maybe shade ,  so you can stop and just enjoy being outside ......Add camera , binoculars , telescope .

I love vans , mostly because I can take "stuff" with me ( see George Carlin )  and maybe I want to take a nap :)

I have done my VW van "prison" and probably have  300,000 miles on them  and am now in a more comfortable Chevy-GMC van.

kb58
kb58 SuperDork
3/31/21 12:22 p.m.

Skipping over reading anything, because I know better, I'd go with anything large (soft suspension), with A/C of course, and a good sound system.

That said, we drove a rental Lincoln town car from San Diego to Yellowstone and back. While technically comfortable, its seats had 97 adjustments for discomfort, the steering had about 50 degrees of free play, and the brakes were so over-boosted that it wasn't even funny.

As far as making memories go,  I think traveling across the country on Route 66, in a classic American car, would be right at the top.

Jay_W
Jay_W SuperDork
3/31/21 12:24 p.m.

I didn't buy it *for* road trips specifically, but a w211 E55 *does* road trips is a way that I've not experienced before. The first 1200 mile trip we did, my wife insisted on setting up a hotel halfway through ahead of time. The 2nd time doing that same drive, she said to heck with the hotel let's just go. I call that an endorsement...it's nice to do 17hr in the car and feel relaxed and alert at the end of it. That, and the reality of road trip these days is lane campers, which, in something like this can be dealt with quite easily. But if you only need 2 seats an 07-09 sl65 is prolly the finest continent-crosser that can be had for less than house money, mpg be damned..

Olemiss540
Olemiss540 HalfDork
3/31/21 12:39 p.m.

My vote is to take the 2002. 

$25k would go a LONG way in addressing your concerns, maybe an engine/tranmission swap would make the trip more bearable...... :-)

eastsideTim
eastsideTim PowerDork
3/31/21 1:08 p.m.

The only cross country road trip I've done is in a Fiat 500 Abarth.  Ohio to the west coast and back in three weeks. Lots of fun in such a small car, and it worked out really well in LA, and a few other places where traffic and parking were tight.  That said, I'd be careful with an ND RF, unless they've fixed some noise issues.  I could have sworn the RF had an issue, maybe with the weatherstripping, that caused some uncomfortable pressure waves driving down the highway.  Hopefully I'm wrong, or it's been fixed.

If I were to do another trip like that (hoping to do so in the next few years), My ideal car would be something comfortable, mid-sized or smaller, normal-ish ground clearance (I skipped several possible side trips last time due to not being sure the Abarth would make it), and finally, one that has aerodynamics that allow you to drive with the windows down in some comfort, because when the weather is just right, it's nice to turn off the AC.  Not sure what exactly would fit that perfectly, but the likely vehicle I'll use for my next trip will be my Mazda5.

The_Jed
The_Jed PowerDork
3/31/21 1:16 p.m.

I too have been wanting to take a cross-country road trip for a very long time. I had pretty much settled on an '03-up Panther but, a lot of the suggested vehicles have sent me down some very deep rabbit holes. 

 

 

When you do embark on your roadtrip please post about it in the adventures section so that those of us following along at home can live vicariously through you! :)

Ranger50
Ranger50 UltimaDork
3/31/21 1:26 p.m.

Nobody wants to cruise in a GT500 or Redeye Challenger???? LOL

rob_lewis
rob_lewis UltraDork
3/31/21 1:33 p.m.

Have you been reading my mind/dreams?  I've been kicking around the same idea for about 6 months now.  Not quite in the financial position to pull the trigger, yet.  I've kinda already picked mine out (but not 100%) and it would be a restomod project that I could then use to do some road trips with.  For me, it's an early 60's cab forward American van.  Basically, similar to an old VW bus, but without the VW price tag.  It checks a bunch of boxes.  Cheap (ish) buy in, parts aplenty, easy to drop a newer engine in, add full A/C, big enough for comfort, old/unique enough for fun.

My current idea is a late 60's Econoline, with a later model 4.9L straight six (maybe carbed, maybe fuel injected), AOD transmission, front disk brakes, vintage A/C front and back, etc.  Kinda want to take a road trip with my son in it, heading west, stopping at places like Carlsbad and the Grand Canyon.  With the van, we can camp in the back if we want.  Later, wife and I can use it for smaller road trips, camping, antique shopping, etc. 

Scratches the itch of something to restore (and dead simple at that) while also giving me a fun, classic road trip car.

-Rob

gearheadmb
gearheadmb SuperDork
3/31/21 1:39 p.m.
John Welsh said:

or 1995-1999

I had a 95 riviera as a DD for a few years. It was definitely the most comfortable car I've ever driven. The seats are like your favorite recliner. The suspension was like riding on a cloud. The biggest issue would be a fear of falling asleep at the wheel from being too comfortable. It was a fantastic long trip car. Supercharged 3800 gave it ample power, big trunk for all the junk. 

Just typing this I'm starting to miss that car.

Curtis73 (Forum Supporter)
Curtis73 (Forum Supporter) MegaDork
3/31/21 1:44 p.m.

I've done the CA-ONT 3000-mile trek a dozen times in multiple different vehicles.

- 96 Impala SS.  Recommend
- 99 Benz E300TD.  Highly recommend.  The 34mpg was nice, as was the nearly 300 lb-ft of torque.  Benz always did two things that defy explanation for me.  1) how do they make seats that are seemingly so hard, yet so stupendously comfy? 2) how do they make suspensions with a soft ride and still handle as well as they do with so little NVH?
- 73 Impala wagon with a hopped up 468 I built.  Oh HELL yes.  The 12 mpg was painful, but my GOD.... talk about floating on a couch.
- 95 F250 Powerstroke.  It was a stripped-down, rubber-floor, no radio or A/C work truck.  It wasn't awful.
- 87 E30 Cabrio.  I made a promise to myself that I would make the entire trip with the top down, which included 114 degrees in Baker, CA and 31 degrees in Vail, CO.  Awesome trip.  Noise was an issue.
- 97 F80 26' box truck.  Do not recommend, but not as bad as you think.
- 93 Tercel.  Yikes.  Good thing I was younger.
- 62 Cadillac SDV (not quite the whole way - L.A. to Austin).  Aside from consuming about a case of oil and looking like a James Bond car with a malfunctioning smoke screen, super fun.

The Impala in Utah:

The E300TD in Phoenix:

The box truck in Austin:

No photo description available.

The SS in L.A.  (with the E30 and the wagon behind it)

Purple Frog (Forum Supporter)
Purple Frog (Forum Supporter) HalfDork
3/31/21 1:44 p.m.

So much depends on what you want to do on the trip.

And, do you want to work on the car all the time like an episode of "Roadkill"?

Are you doing motels / AirB&B, or plan any camping?

Do you plan on going down 30 miles of dirt road to see that special vista on the North Rim?

We put 200,000 on a Chyrsler Town and Country (even did Dragon's Tail).  Then bought a 2019 CRV and already have 50,000 on it.  The CRV is on the "quiet" list above.  Have even done trails in Moab with both.

All that said... my favorite way to tour is looking out that big windshield of our Motorhome with the 4wd towed behind.

 

jharry3
jharry3 Dork
3/31/21 1:51 p.m.

The most comfortable car I ever took on a long road trip was a 1986 Honda CRX Si.   For whatever reason it just worked out to be comfortable. And my wife could lean the seat back and take naps with no problem.   This was before kids of course.

Plus I could cruise all day at 75+ mph and still get 38 mpg.

 

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