What would we do without the book of faces?
http://www.lsxtv.com/news/cadillac-ats-and-ats-v-spec-sheets-for-real/
http://www.lsxtv.com/news/cadillac-ats-spotted-on-gm%E2%80%99s-website/?fb_comment_id=fbc_10150227330744389_17333451_10150227331189389#f3e0164a2c
Says it's a baby CTS..... I wish this was going to be affordable.... 
Ranger50 wrote: Says it's a baby CTS..... I wish this was going to be affordable....
I don't know about affordable, but I bet it's cheaper than a similar spec 3-series.
Tom Heath wrote:Ranger50 wrote: Says it's a baby CTS..... I wish this was going to be affordable....I don't know about affordable, but I bet it's cheaper than a similar spec 3-series.
I'll agree to that.... Affordable to me is probably 25-30K base price with the high zoot model being under 40k.
Automatic only
Just a thought...
http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2011/06/stump-the-best-and-brightest-what-car-had-its-6-2-liter-v8-pulled-by-dan-akerson/
Cadillac marketted what they considered to be a "3 series" competitor in Europe a few years ago...the BLS. It was a "badge-engineered" Saab 93. Needless to say, no one bought them.
I can understand why Cadillac feels it must build small(er) cars, so it can meet CAFE requirements, and buyers desires to at least go with smaller vehicles. But I don't think they will ever actually build a credible small car. The only way they can do it is if they either "clean sheet" their own small car (no shared platform) or at least use sheetmetal that is absolutely unrecognizable as "a Chevy with a Cadillac grille".
BLS...sounds like shorthand for a sandwich. Baloney, liverwurst, and sourkraut?
integraguy wrote: Cadillac marketted what they considered to be a "3 series" competitor in Europe a few years ago...the BLS. It was a "badge-engineered" Saab 93. Needless to say, no one bought them. I can understand why Cadillac feels it must build small(er) cars, so it can meet CAFE requirements, and buyers desires to at least go with smaller vehicles. But I don't think they will ever actually build a credible small car. The only way they can do it is if they either "clean sheet" their own small car (no shared platform) or at least use sheetmetal that is absolutely unrecognizable as "a Chevy with a Cadillac grille".
why not start with the now defunct Sky/Solstice... after all they are in house already........
thisi s the same company that now has a model called the "CLS".. say it fast and tell me it doesn't make you think of an elderly couple watching the sunset in a pair of bathtubs..
For that matter, ATS makes me think of a off road "transportation device" (as in ATV). Or of a type of bug.
Resurrecting this thread after I heard about the ATS on NPR. They talked up the Nurburgring testing a lot. MT says the turbo four will come with a getrag 6 speed manual and 270 hp. The 3.6 V6 will have 318 hp.
The turbo 4 manual with FE3 suspension (this is the one allegedly tuned on the Nurburgring) sounds like the ticket. Especially since they allegedly weight about 3300lbs and the turbo 4 with manual is the one of the bunch that has perfect 50/50.
Wonder what it will cost?
I heard that radio piece as well and their reporter thought prices would start at about twice that of the base model cruze if I remember correctly.
If you take a look at the new Chevy 130 concept, it uses the exact same exhaust spacing as the ATS. It may not mean much but the rumor is that this platform will spawn a Cadillac sedan, a roadster, a Chevrolet coupe and sedan. It will be available in RWD and AWD versions and with drivetrains including 2.0T, 2.4L, 3.6L and even a V8.
I think the enthusiast market needs to get behind this platform if it handles anything like the CTS.
Damn still no Ute.
ATS-V 
John Brown wrote: I think the enthusiast market needs to get behind this platform if it handles anything like the CTS.
I'm with you on that. Not really in the market for a $30k+ car right now, but I could almost stretch it if it's as good as the CTS-V. That turbo 4/6 speed combo with the handling package (spawned by the Nurburgring tuning) sounds like the hot ticket, and likely $10k less than the -V model.
As long as this ATS doesn't become a Cimmarron or Catera..... It will be a hot ticket item.
Are the laws of physics that different at the Nurburgring?
I have to say, I took the job at a Cadillac dealership for the security and proximity to home. I have been driving what GM has been building for 6 months now and I am mighty impressed with a couple products.
Buick builds a VERY GOOD Jetta in the Regal. The CTS only has two faults I can find, the placement of the window switches and not enough manual transmissions.
As a company GM is still on the far outside edge of looking into the "well of greatness" but every new product has been pretty good in my books. If you get a chance to go drive the Cruzes more sophisticated twin, the Verano, please do so. It is still priced too high but it is a damn fine car.
Ranger50 wrote: As long as this ATS doesn't become a Cimmarron or Catera..... It will be a hot ticket item.
No, but if the catera becomes a CTS...
...Oh wait, it did!
Joey
Direct Injected LSx.....Mmmmmmm
akamcfly wrote: Are the laws of physics that different at the Nurburgring?
What was it Captain Slow said about Aston???????
oldeskewltoy wrote:akamcfly wrote: Are the laws of physics that different at the Nurburgring?
Check- noted. I think the fact that they took the time to tune the car on a racetrack speaks to their seriousness with the quality of its handling. I'm no Nurburgring whore, but I like that they apparently either:
Have enthusiasts working in the division; or
Want us to think they have enthusiasts working in the division.
In short- they want to build a car for "us", as long as "us" are cross-shopping BMW M3's or are midlevel white collar folks with the scratch to afford a $35k car.
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