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RealMiniParker wrote: In reply to Duke: But, what danger are those examples? Sure, aesthetically, they might be unpleasant, but at least they have full tread on the pavement.

Yeah, and a CG that is probably higher than a 3rd grader, with a roll center Bob knows where, from modifications often done with questionable materials and workmanship. Gassers were set up high to facilitate and encourage weight transfer - let's not forget that works for roll as well as pitch.

In reply to Duke:

Yes. Every one of those vehicles is more usable than the cars pictured in the original post. And while I can't speak to the truck, the gasser style street cars were created to emulate the race cars in a time where we didn't know any better. We do now.

Streetwiseguy wrote: Sculpture. Static sculpture. And whoever decided sanding all the paint off a car to let it rust is the second biggest douchenozzle in the entire world. Not sure who #1 is, but I'm leaving the top spot open, just in case.

That picture in my mind is way worse than the Miata or the z06...

Well it gave me a chuckle. First time I've seen oni kyan and kaido racer design combined!

So now i sit and wonder if somebody could come up with an air ride system that also alllows massivr amounts of camber adjustment on demand. I see a bit of a market here.

There is a guy running around the Daytona area with a slammed NA with camber similar to that Miata. (Not quite as bad, but still really, really silly)

Whenever I see that car I find myself involuntarily shaking my head. No, no, no. Poor Miata....I can almost hear it crying.

If you are going to do that to a car---- it should be mandated that you carry a boatload of insurance. Do what you want to your cars, but if you wreck and take someone else out, you should be held responsible for making your car a dangerous POS.

I think that miata was on tuned or the smoking tire. Not my thing but its his money, as long as he doesnt kill anyone.

Chadeux wrote: So now i sit and wonder if somebody could come up with an air ride system that also alllows massivr amounts of camber adjustment on demand. I see a bit of a market here.

I bet it could be done...traditional air ride plus a custom upper A-arm where the upper ball joint rides along a slot, kind of like a macstrut's camber plate. The position of the upper ball joint in the slot could be driven by a worm gear with an electric motor.

Joe Gearin wrote: There is a guy running around the Daytona area with a slammed NA with camber similar to that Miata. (Not quite as bad, but still really, really silly) Whenever I see that car I find myself involuntarily shaking my head. No, no, no. Poor Miata....I can almost hear it crying. If you are going to do that to a car---- it should be mandated that you carry a boatload of insurance. Do what you want to your cars, but if you wreck and take someone else out, you should be held responsible for making your car a dangerous POS.

I'm part of the central florida miata group. I joined at racerfinks behest to see if I could find a cheap ride. The amount of positively ruined miatas owned by kids with no sense is staggering.

Insanely stupid and dangerous As long as they don't take them on the street I guess it's ok but if they drive them.....

This is dumb. Its fine that he likes it buts its stupid unsafe.

markwemple wrote: Insanely stupid and dangerous As long as they don't take them on the street I guess it's ok but if they drive them.....

Being that guy for a second. I agree it isn't super safe, however, I'm much more concerned about brodozered out trucks with giant steel bumpers lifted to head level rolling around with all their off road lights on than stanced cars. Stance is more likely to kill the owner, brodozers are more likely to kill me.

The0retical wrote:

markwemple wrote: Insanely stupid and dangerous As long as they don't take them on the street I guess it's ok but if they drive them.....

Being that guy for a second. I agree it isn't super safe, however, I'm much more concerned about brodozered out trucks with giant steel bumpers lifted to head level rolling around with all their off road lights on than stanced cars. Stance is more likely to kill the owner, brodozers are more likely to kill me.

You are speaking the truth!

don't hate educate.. As much as I detest show cars, these are prime examples.

I'll share the road with a hundred of those cars driven by car-guys over just ONE idiot in a new Corolla texting and driving.

I want to be his tire supplier.

What in particular is unsafe about riding around on the inner edge of the tire? Is it impossible to align? Is it the shoddy methods used to get that way? I see a car that has taken a trend to the extreme-that's how you are cool if you follow a trend-you take it to the extreme. Most of us are just peacocks trying to have the best feathers. If 300hp is good, 700hp is better. If jacked up trucks are cool, super jacked up is better. If lightness is good for autocross-turn your car into a shell of a thing that does nothing well but go around cones in a parking lot. Stance cars are kindof like donks to me-I don't really get it, but thats OK. The drivers mostly drive around slow trying to look good so I fail to see any harm.

The way I've always looked at the problem with extreme levels of camber is that tires aren't designed to work that way. You know how the entire face of your tires tend to wear down? That's because most of the width of the tire is touching the road most of the time. Now look at his tires. Only that inside edge wears, and as that tiny edge of the tire gets thin, it's also the only part of the tire with a real load on it. Basically it seems like it'd be an increased risk for a blowout. There are other problems too, but this seems like biggest safety related issue that I don't really see a solution for.

vazbmw wrote:

The0retical wrote:

markwemple wrote: Insanely stupid and dangerous As long as they don't take them on the street I guess it's ok but if they drive them.....

Being that guy for a second. I agree it isn't super safe, however, I'm much more concerned about brodozered out trucks with giant steel bumpers lifted to head level rolling around with all their off road lights on than stanced cars. Stance is more likely to kill the owner, brodozers are more likely to kill me.

You are speaking the truth!

It doesn't have to be either/or, they can both be insufferable schitwhistle jackwads and that's OK too. We don't really have to pretend what they do isn't idiotic because they "are car guys too". No they aren't. They are the kind of people who ruin everything. The kind of people who make Carmel covered onions and still say stuff like "man card" and use "products" on their mustaches.

berkeley those shiny happy people.

For some reason I can't get /that/ mad at the brodozer crowd because frankly I think this is cool.

This is a slightly different game though I guess.

Chadeux wrote: For some reason I can't get /that/ mad at the brodozer crowd because frankly I think this is cool. This is a slightly different game though I guess.

My stock ram thinks that ram is silly.

Mine does too.

Chadeux wrote: For some reason I can't get /that/ mad at the brodozer crowd because frankly I think this is cool.

In much the same context as the Miata and Corvette, it's cool as long as it's used exclusively for its intended purpose and not on public roads. It stops poorly, maneuvers poorly, and will impact road legal vehicles (like the one carrying my wife and child) above the primary crash safety structure.

In reply to MrJoshua:

I'd think that one of the biggies is that braking traction is significantly reduced.

I find it amusing that the origins of the Japanese trend of oni-kyam was drifters trying to maximize Mac strut front with solid rear axles for response near steering lock, and the front camber was significant, certainly a bit compromised for all-around use, but not really that extreme in context of some of these show cars.

Then somewhere along the line, some idiot somewhere decided that it would look cool to have a car with the look of extreme negative camber on the rear also. ??? Let's see....most likely multi link rear suspension...and the wheels don't steer!! At the very least on the front it has roots in a modification based on function as a result of the camber curve of strut front suspension. But on the rear?

Driven5 wrote: "It stops poorly, maneuvers poorly"

This part doesn't have to be true, but usually is. The last lifted truck I drove didn't have either of these problems. That truck with a 2" lift and 32" tires was at about the same height as a new 4wd dually though. Probably not enough to gain entry into the brodozer club.