http://www.money.cnn.com/gallery/autos/2013/07/02/car-features-disappear.fortune/
I would miss all of them except #9, especially the first 5 which I would not buy a car without. #4 because the alternative is BMW shark fins.
http://www.money.cnn.com/gallery/autos/2013/07/02/car-features-disappear.fortune/
I would miss all of them except #9, especially the first 5 which I would not buy a car without. #4 because the alternative is BMW shark fins.
Irritating slide show. I made it to #2 before nope-ing out.
Why do some websites make you click through each item on a list? Does it fudge the advertising numbers?
In reply to logdog:
Page views. If you just went to CNN, read the headline page and left it would appear to the advertising numbers that you do not like CNN that much and just stop in quick or even stopped there by accident. If you view 10 pages, you clearly have an interest in CNN, or so it appears.
Yes, it fudges the advertising numbers.
No one will miss crank window?
How about any passenger that gets in a hot car, or is in the car when the driver gets out (e.g. to get gas).
I consider electric windows a total pain in the butt and of no real use other then in a convertible.
Still rockin' crank windows. I just sold my Ranger which had crank windows AND a cassette player..which I was still using. Kickin' it 90s style....I miss that truck already.
I don't like the potential safety issues or added weight of electric windows, but what I really hate is the repair costs. I think most people don't mind them because they just aren't thinking long-term...and I guess they usually last for the typical 5-year ownership period.
There, now you don't have to click through that E36 M3ty advertising-whoring website. Discuss.
85MPH speedos were legislated in the 80's, then repealed. They've been dead at 20 years.
Pillarless hardtops have been extinct before, then Merc brought back 1 car, now it's gone, too. Stupid safety regs.
Bias-plys are alive and well for racing.
The 13 w-body Impala was the last bench seat.
Antennas are making a comeback, people are tired of E36 M3 reception.
unevolved
YOU the man! 
Thanks!
aircooled wrote: No one will miss crank window? How about any passenger that gets in a hot car, or is in the car when the driver gets out (e.g. to get gas). I consider electric windows a total pain in the butt and of no real use other then in a convertible.
I guess you haven't tried to roll the passenger window either up or down while driving ( in any car larger than a CRX ) and it's even a PIA to do in something that small
GameboyRMH wrote: I don't like the potential safety issues or added weight of electric windows, but what I really hate is the repair costs. I think most people don't mind them because they just aren't thinking long-term...and I guess they usually last for the typical 5-year ownership period.
I seem to remember that Lotus used power windows in the Elise or maybe the Exige because they were lighter than a manual unit
as for the handbrake going away ... I've had a car that if you didn't set the handbrake before putting it in park and you were parked at on a hill, you weren't going anywhere without someone pushing you a couple of inches to release the pressure on the parking pawl ...
yes it was an old car ... there are old cars out there ... there will always be old cars out there ... this isn't a good thing
What are "motorized patch kits" referenced in #10?
My favorite speedo was that found in my SVO. and 85mph 145mph speedo :)
wbjones wrote:GameboyRMH wrote: I don't like the potential safety issues or added weight of electric windows, but what I really hate is the repair costs. I think most people don't mind them because they just aren't thinking long-term...and I guess they usually last for the typical 5-year ownership period.I seem to remember that Lotus used power windows in the Elise or maybe the Exige because they were lighter than a manual unit
Yeah their power windows are slightly lighter, they used to offer the option of either one but recently they went to power-only, probably due to lack of demand for the cranks.
Seems that power and crank are pretty close in weight and which one is lighter varies from car to car...I'd still accept a little weight for the reliability.
I think the cranks are lighter than the power windows in the Elise. The power windows come with the Touring package, with a couple of little bits of carpet and a couple pieces of insulation. Note that the power windows only have 2 control buttons, one on each door where the door crank would be with the manual one. A round button with an up/down switch. To operate the passenger side window, you just (easily) reach across to the passenger door and push the switch.
Lotus has used power windows since the Europa. I seem to recall there not being enough room to work a manual window crank in the Europa, so they went with the power windows.
GameboyRMH wrote: http://www.money.cnn.com/gallery/autos/2013/07/02/car-features-disappear.fortune/ I would miss all of them except #9, especially the first 5 which I would not buy a car without. #4 because the alternative is BMW shark fins.
You'd miss bias ply tires on a street car???
I wish their was a way that I could tel prior to clicking (well I guess gallery is the hint) that a news article is going to be one of the rediculous list type articles. I hate that to find that out I gave them 1 page view and that to see at 10 someone would give them 11 page views. I'd rather give this horrible type of modern journalism 0 page views.
I do not miss crank windows. However, I do wish that the power windows in my E30 were currently working. 
GameboyRMH wrote: I don't like the potential safety issues or added weight of electric windows, but what I really hate is the repair costs. I think most people don't mind them because they just aren't thinking long-term...and I guess they usually last for the typical 5-year ownership period.
I have three cars with crank windows (racecars or vintage ones) and two with electric windows. For a performance car, I prefer cranks just to reduce weight.
But to be honest, when I got in my car today and it was 100 degrees I hit all four buttons and all windows went down quickly. It would have sucked to have to roll all four windows down manually, and then back up a few minutes later once the A/C had gotten cold. For a daily driver (or for a larger car where it's not easy to reach across to the crank, or to the back doors), I prefer electric windows.
Electric windows sucked back in the day (mostly because they were slow and unreliable....like in my e30). But I've never had a window motor break or have any issues in more recent cars. And All of those cars were well beyond 10 years old when I got rid of them.
wbjones wrote: as for the handbrake going away ... I've had a car that if you didn't set the handbrake before putting it in park and you were parked at on a hill, you weren't going anywhere without someone pushing you a couple of inches to release the pressure on the parking pawl ... yes it was an old car ... there are old cars out there ... there will always be old cars out there ... this isn't a good thing
What they mean is a parking brake operated by hand. Any number of new cars including the Legacy we have for DE has an electronic parking brake with a push button. No more hand-brake 180s!
That's why I like my 2012 Wrangler:
1. 6 speed manual (NSG370)
2. 2 real keys (no fobs and no keyless entry)
3. crank windows (didn't want PW-adds weight to already heavy removable doors)
4. big ass whip antenna on passenger fender
5. Real mechanical handbrake between the seats
6. Bias-ply tires if I was running 37s (not planning on going that big, I'm not a rockcrawler)
7. Rear has a bench 
8. I was too cheap for a hardtop but I still want one (next Jeep will be a 4 door hardtop)
9. Speedo goes to 100 (had it up to 95 once-too scared to bury it)
10. Full size spare hangs off the rear (soon to have 5 33x12.50x15s on it)
I love how crude (refined for a Wrangler haha) it is. Simple= more betterer
Xceler8x wrote: Irritating slide show. I made it to #2 before nope-ing out.
^This.
GameboyRMH wrote:wbjones wrote:Yeah their power windows are slightly lighter, they used to offer the option of either one but recently they went to power-only, probably due to lack of demand for the cranks. Seems that power and crank are pretty close in weight and which one is lighter varies from car to car...I'd still accept a little weight for the reliability.GameboyRMH wrote: I don't like the potential safety issues or added weight of electric windows, but what I really hate is the repair costs. I think most people don't mind them because they just aren't thinking long-term...and I guess they usually last for the typical 5-year ownership period.I seem to remember that Lotus used power windows in the Elise or maybe the Exige because they were lighter than a manual unit
In 80's Renaults, anyway, the power window mechanism is much more robust than the manual one, to the point where a car with crank windows is actually considered undesirable because if the (obviously NLA) cable mechanism hasn't broken already it is probably about to.
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