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TiggerWelder
TiggerWelder Reader
8/31/17 6:54 a.m.

I have seen jokes around saying that the manual transmission will be the ultimate Millenial anti theft device! Try as I did, all I could get my daughters, 16, and 18 to do was learn in a parking lot, youngest never got out of first gear! kills me!

z31maniac
z31maniac MegaDork
8/31/17 7:11 a.m.
Knurled wrote:
dannyzabolotny wrote: Unfortunately it seems like everything's going auto/DCT.
Which really sucks, because if you want a turbo, a good torque converter is a godsend. Twin clutch transmissions are basically the worst parts of having a manual and the worst parts of having an automatic, from a performance perspective. Now, CVTs on the other hand.

Lolz, how are DCTs the worst of both?

Maybe if you're into Miller Lite, mullets, and driving fast in a straight line.

rslifkin
rslifkin SuperDork
8/31/17 7:44 a.m.

DCTs just don't feel right to me. They've gotten better, but if I'm not shifting, at low speeds I'd rather have a torque converter for the ability to snap the revs up closer to the powerband immediately. And most modern autos spend so much time with the TC locked up anyway at higher speeds that they're not mushy.

The DCT being the worst of both worlds is because of this: you're not shifting for yourself, but you also don't get the benefits of a torque converter.

The only decent CVT I've driven is the Honda one in the newer Civics. It still feels boring, but it's not objectively bad at what it does and it's pretty smooth.

dannyzabolotny
dannyzabolotny New Reader
8/31/17 11:23 a.m.

DCT's can be stupidly quick, but they feel more like playing a video game than driving a car. I drove a BMW 335is with a DCT and the shifts were lightning quick, but I didn't feel connected to the car at all. With a manual you feel the slight gearbox vibrations through your hand and you have to know the sweet spot of the clutch, which makes every shift feel super rewarding. And there's nothing quite like a well-done rev-matched downshift with a manual.

Rupert
Rupert Dork
8/31/17 12:10 p.m.

In reply to TiggerWelder:

I know what you mean.

I live out in the country where all the teenage boys live and die by their stick shift pickups. So a couple of friends of mine, who only own automatics, asked me to let their daughters learn to drive a stick in my old Ford Ranger.

They're concerned their daughter(s) might be out in the back and beyond with a boyfriend and need to drive home. My first reaction was, what about their cell phones?

Actually there are places near here where cell coverage is poor at best. So I let them learn on my Ranger. Then one of them bought my old Ranger to drive herself around!

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