yupididit said:Um they don't go off for no reason. Only those blind spot thing lights up but thats hardly distracting. If they go off as often as you say then you probably need them more than you think lol
I covered all that already. You obviously missed it (lol).
NOHOME said:The primary goal is to maximize profits for the industry players.
To this end,the need is to remove the meat sack as a variable in the transportation industry. Cars will take more of the control and reduce the opportunity for human error.
Expect cars to start arriving with an expiry date; Much like Japan where a car is almost impossible to keep on the road past its first three years, expect cars to phase out as their navigation systems become obsolete.
Where it ends, I suspect, is with the end of individual car ownership. My sin-in-law works for So-Car in Korea and already has me questioning the rational for owning my own fleet of cars.
My thoughts are that we will also see some kind of a revolution in the insurance industry as fewer drivers subscribe and the fleet owners become the major liability customers. If there are only three or four transportation providers, then we wont need hundreds of insurance companies. Car dealers will also go the way of the Dodo for much the same reason.
Lets check back in 20 years.
While I think you've made some really good points, that I've considered seriously in the past, I don't think that the outlook on individual ownership is quite that bleak, especially in the United States. I think much like the renewable energy question and the future of automotive power units it's going to take a wide variety of solutions to address the current problems sufficiently. I can absolutely see major metropolitan areas ( NYC, Chicago, LA, etc.) moving in the direction of less private ownership.
I can see more "no go zones" popping up in the most densely populated areas. Cars simply don't offer much utility in those situations. But the vast majority of this country is not well setup for the kind of system you envision. The fact is there are a great number of people in this country that cannot rely on a public transportation system, population density in those area makes will make it inefficient to use public transport or ride sharing, and road an weather conditions will be huge hurdles for fully autonomous driving to be feasible.
I think we are still a long way off from the point where owning your own car won't make sense full stop, but I agree that we are trending in that direction.
For the two different people in the last two days who almost hit me while texting, driver assist may not be a bad thing.
I think they absolutely serve a purpose, and maybe the benefits outweigh the costs (not just financial ones).
However, I just drove a 2019 Tesla Model S over the break (FIL's), and while coming off a highway an idiot decided that she too needed to exit, except it was like 500 ft beyond the exit lane break point (where lanes separate). It was a hairy moment, and quite frankly I was worried about what the car would do vs. what I was asking to do during an emergency maneuver. Those are the times where I question whether they help or hurt the cause - but they're limited to people like us who take driving seriously. For those that don't, I can't imagine that they're not a net benefit.
In reply to bcp2011 :
I have little choice but to agree with you. As unfortunate as our current circumstances are, it seems inevitable.
Has it really been a month already?
Nothing tech wise has changed. Let's just moratorium this topic until something actually happens instead of making it a monthly rant thread huh?
ebonyandivory said:SVreX said:In reply to ebonyandivory :
Doesn’t matter. They are here to stay. Adapt. Deal with it.
I'll ask you to point out where I said anything to the contrary. Also, comments like that are only meant to end debate while adding nothing to the thread. I have a feeling you are very selective of your use of it.
You said you don’t need technology to help you pound nails with your eyes closed. That came across as a pretty direct rejection of the technology.
I am not trying to end a conversation. But there is really nothing to debate. It doesn’t matter if you like it or not, it’s here to stay.
It’s really difficult to listen to a bunch of motorheads have this exact same argument every time this subject comes up. I would LOVE to have a great conversation that essentially went “This is all new to me, and I feel uncomfortable. What are the best ways I can adapt as a motorhead and enjoy the new technologies and opportunities?”
Instead, it sounds like whining. Yes, your comments sound like whining.
So how about some constructive discussion about the new technology that is here to stay, instead of beating the dead horse with comments like “I don’t need this technology “. (Which BTW sounds like a conversation ender)
Thanks!
In reply to SVreX :
Objecting to something likely millions of automotive enthusiasts also dislike sounds like whining to you? I'm glad to know how you feel about opposing viewpoints.
You call me writing about my opposition to this technology in a thread dedicated to this very thing a conversation-ender?
You claim to not be trying to "end the conversation" but so far you've posted conversation-enders like "deal with it" and now label an opposing viewpoint as "whining"?
And yours was not the first post taking a personal swipe for no good reason.
Why do I even bother?
ebonyandivory said:yupididit said:Um they don't go off for no reason. Only those blind spot thing lights up but thats hardly distracting. If they go off as often as you say then you probably need them more than you think lol
I covered all that already. You obviously missed it (lol).
Oops!
I have no problem with opposing views. I used to be where you are, and chose to listen to opposing views.
I’d just live a solid enthusiasts approach to utilizing tech. You are not offering it.
In reply to SVreX :
If you read all of my posts you'd quickly see that your description of me is totally inaccurate.
In reply to ebonyandivory :
I didn’t describe you. Don’t take it personal.
And yes. I’ve read every post in this thread.
SVreX said:In reply to ebonyandivory :
I didn’t describe you. Don’t take it personal.
And yes. I’ve read every post in this thread.
Then you purposely ignored these:
"I have little choice but to agree with you. As unfortunate as our current circumstances are, it seems inevitable."
And:
"Unfortunately, electronic driver assistances is gonna win out. I don't foresee millions of licensed drivers suddenly taking driving well seriously."
When you stop labeling my differing views as "whining" is when I won't take it personally.
In reply to ebonyandivory :
Nope. I wasn’t specifically talking about you. Don’t be so defensive. It’s hard to converse through a wall of self defensiveness.
In reply to ebonyandivory :
I apologize if my words came across as a personal attack. Absolutely not the intent.
SVreX said:In reply to ebonyandivory :
Nope. I wasn’t specifically talking about you. Don’t be so defensive. It’s hard to converse through a wall of self defensiveness.
I can't continue to derail this thread but you don't have to pretend you didn't specifically talk about me. Most of this page is just you and I going back and forth.
You wrote:
"Instead, it sounds like whining. Yes, your comments sound like whining."
And:
"I have no problem with opposing views. I used to be where you are, and chose to listen to opposing views.
I’d just live a solid enthusiasts approach to utilizing tech. You are not offering it."
And:
"So how about some constructive discussion about the new technology that is here to stay, instead of beating the dead horse with comments like “I don’t need this technology “. (Which BTW sounds like a conversation ender)"
If you're gonna make it personal, at least be honest about it.
Edit: I see your apology. It's not necessary though. I'm very passionate about my beliefs as well. I'm just trying to keep things on the level that's all.
Id rather apologize to everyone else for derailing an otherwise good discussion. I have a habit of doing that lately.
Came to post......read the last page......leaving for another thread. Comments will wait until people chill.
So, since I feel that this trend is going to result in a world where the transport module manufacturers own all the pieces, and we sure as E36 M3 don't need a dozen transport module manufacturers in a world where brand loyalty is non existent and all the modules are the same, who do I go invest in today? My guess....Gonna be either a US or a Chinese firm that takes over the game.
Streetwiseguy said:They are here to stay. ABS is either very nice, or terrifying, depending on whether I'm in my Volvo or my Chev pickup truck. Blind spot warning is useless in heavy traffic, and not required anywhere else for drivers who are awake. The requirement for a sensor pointed ahead to tell you when you are going to run into something makes me weep for the future of society.
Programming limits are a huge part of whether it's useful or not.
Mothers can be overloaded to the point of distraction . Johnny's had a bad day and kicking the back of her seat. She's told him repeatedly to knock it off etc. So she's going to try the evil eye stare. Sure would be nice in that situation to have a sensors help her out.
You are backing out of your parking spot and that Van won't let you see what's coming until more than half way out. Sure would be nice to have a blind spot detector.
ABS has saved too many people who just didn't take emergency braking in school. Oops they don't offer that.
In fact this is completely the wrong group to ask. We care about driving skill. Race to improve our skills. Focus on it.
It's lucky none of us ever drive tired or get distracted.
As an occasional motorcyclist and even less occasional bicyclist and a one time NA Miatacist I am a big fan of some of these nannies for other people. They didn't pay attention to anything smaller than an Explorer BEFORE phones and now it's unquestionably worse. Someone mentioned something about how the death rate is more or less the same with these new AI safety features, but along with said features proliferation there has also been a rocketlike upward trajectory in personal annoyance technologies, you know, with the selfies and the vines and the candy crushes.
I'm surprised we're not more dead. We're all morons. It's hard, even as someone who thinks they're doing it right most of the time, to keep your eyes off that black glass and metal rectangle when it chimes and lights up in the cupholder.
Anyways, not sure if it's been mentioned, but with newer cars, the crashworthiness standards are giving us less and less glass, and some of these cars would be downright dangerous without blind spot monitoring or the rearview cameras with that infernal beeping nonsense.
In reply to SVreX :
So, how do we integrate this technology and educate drivers at the same time to prevent the thinking I've outlined previously?
I agree the technology is here to stay, and I don't dislike it. I think it is a net benefit when utilized properly. My primary concern is the millions of people out there to whom a car is an appliance, and nothing more. How do we get them to stay engaged as a driver instead of checking out and counting on the technology?
Recon1342 said:In reply to SVreX :
So, how do we integrate this technology and educate drivers at the same time to prevent the thinking I've outlined previously?
I agree the technology is here to stay, and I don't dislike it. I think it is a net benefit when utilized properly. My primary concern is the millions of people out there to whom a car is an appliance, and nothing more. How do we get them to stay engaged as a driver instead of checking out and counting on the technology?
Trying to make people care about something they don't have an interest in is a losing battle, imo. The best thing you can do is give people proper training and education. It would be a whole lot better if peoples first experience with at limit handling, threshold breaking, object avoidance wasn't out on the public roads. WIthout getting political, I don't think there is a whole lot of appetite for the investment that kind of program would require.
It seems that a majority of people are convinced that eliminating human driving is the end goal of autonomus technology. I'm not a big fan of that outcome, but I think there is a lot of momentum behind that line of thinking. Ultimately, it's impossible to know exactly where all of this is going. If we care about driving then we have to do our best to get the people we know engaged with it, or at the very least help them to understand why we are so passionate about it.
In reply to Recon1342 :
I doubt we can
That's like saying, Everybody be a good person.
My thoughts on DAT https://youtu.be/6s5rlCHZuSY
In reply to frenchyd :
I agree.
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