I find it amazing they didn’t require him to surrender his passport.
I find it amazing they didn’t require him to surrender his passport.
spitfirebill said:I find it amazing they didn’t require him to surrender his passport.
That's the thing though. They did! He had none of his three passports!
The terms of his 1.5 billion yen bail (that's $13.8 million) required that he remain in Japan in advance of his trial, set for 2020. Deemed a flight risk, Ghosn's three passports were confiscated, held by his defense team in order that he could not leave the country. Even then, he was placed under strict surveillance and he was subject to restrictions on his use of phones and computers.
If he couldn't leave his Tokyo apartment to buy a carton of milk without someone knowing about it, how on earth did he just manage to flee the country?
https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/31/business/ghosn-escape-japan-lebanon-scli-intl/index.html
Yet the Lebanese government said he entered the country on a French passport.
Some countries do make exceptions for their citizens though and allow them to enter on an expired passport. Or he had a stash of backup passports.
I can't tell if this guy is sticky or greasy.... little of both.
BoxheadTim said:Yet the Lebanese government said he entered the country on a French passport.
Some countries do make exceptions for their citizens though and allow them to enter on an expired passport. Or he had a stash of backup passports.
Or he had connections in the passport department at the embassy who issued him a new one without authorization from above.
_ said:I can't tell if this guy is sticky or greasy.... little of both.
Will Japan send Ninjas to go get him ?
will the next Nissan SUV be called "Ninja"
Will Tom Cruise play Ghosn in the movie , they are both short :)
Too many questions and not enough Beers !
Wow, this thread went better than the other one. I agree with so many of you about so much here.
Don't know that I've ever specifically said so on GRM, but i was falsely accused of plotting to use explosives in a terroristic attack and briefly incarcerated. Yes, really. It was beyond idiotic, but that didn't make it less real in terms of shaping my life. In terms of the Japanese justice system's merits, "idle banter" and "the trajectory of my entire life since that day" are more or less interchangeable. Not that I'm still worked up about it but unlike many I don't just assume that I won't have my entire life thrown under the bus over lies or whether someone with a little influence likes me or not. And since my dad still hasn't retired over the mid-six-digits of money he lost to white collar crime, that seems a little close to home too. "Here comes Vigo" in one of these threads is... because reasons.
Anwyay, i've got my e-popcorn out. It's an interesting story. I agree with those who said that there are no heroes in it and that nothing will change, but it's still interesting.
BoxheadTim said:Yet the Lebanese government said he entered the country on a French passport.
Some countries do make exceptions for their citizens though and allow them to enter on an expired passport. Or he had a stash of backup passports.
In some countries, citizens can re-enter with an ID card as well.
Oh, E36 M3. This definitely just blew up in a big way.
Interpol is officially after him now and Turkey just detained a bunch of people involved in his passing through that country...
https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/02/business/ghosn-escape-japan-lebanon-raid/index.html
Lebanon said Thursday that it had received a "red notice" from Interpol confirming that the former auto titan is wanted by police.
The governor of Istanbul said in a statement Thursday that Turkish police have detained seven people in connection with an investigation into Ghosn's "illegal escape" from Japan. Anadolu news agency said that Ghosn traveled via the city's Ataturk airport. Police detained four pilots of a private airline, a company manager and two ground staff at the request of the Istanbul prosecutor, according to the statement from the governor's office.
And now we have Maximum Bob out here sharing his thoughts....
Lutz, who said he’s known Ghosn for a number of years, said the embattled executive suffers from a “god complex” as well as “CEO-disease,” where a person believes they are omnipotent and “above the law” because of their power.
“That type of personality does tend to pretty easily slip over the line and do things that the rest of us would not do because they think they’re so important and so well connected and of such vast importance to the economy that no one would ever call them on it,” Lutz, a well-known outspoken automotive icon, said Thursday on CNBC’s Squawk on the Street.
I volunteer to help hunt him down on the sole basis that the NV200 exists, and I've driven one so I know he's guilty.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ said:I volunteer to help hunt him down on the sole basis that the NV200 exists, and I've driven one so I know he's guilty.
Don't forget, he made the Murano CrossCabriolet a thing too (and a friend who worked for Nissan said the concept was a suggestion of Ghosn's wife that he kind of ramrodded through)
ebonyandivory said:Imagine living in a world where you were SO PETRIFIED of committing even a minor civil infraction that you never even bent the law?
Never lit a firecracker? Drove 36 in a 35 or jay-walked? Or spit your gum out?
Ill take American justice thanks.
Have you checked the conviction rate of most American prosecutors? Anything less than 97-98% rate and they hire a new prosecutor.
Japan Like America has everything going for the prosecution and nothing for the defense except wildly overworked and underpaid defense lawyers who are mostly trying to get a gig on the prosecution staff. Well, to my knowledge Japan doesn't even have that.
However in Japan like America the police works for the prosecution, so if a prosecutor is looking for evidence, I'm certain the police know how they can find a witness or two. Maybe even some documentation.
In reply to NickD :
Oh god, I actually remember seeing one of those things in public.
I was surprised they ever made that thing and even more surprised someone bought it.
frenchyd said:Have you checked the conviction rate of most American prosecutors? Anything less than 97-98% rate and they hire a new prosecutor.
That depends on whether you include plea bargains or just cases that go to trial. The latter is something like 60-90% depending on what state (or feds) you're talking about.
I guess the big question I have is, will this grand escape help or hurt Ghosn's cause in the court of public opinion? As oppressive as the Japanese criminal justice system may or may not be, Ghosn is now a bona-fide fugitive. Suddenly a lot of the harsh restrictions he was facing seem justifiable.
He better have something amazing cooked up for his press conference next Wednesday, that's for sure!
Also, as more details come out, the finer points of his escape just blow me away:
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a30364009/carlos-ghosn-nissan-leaves-japan-before-trial/
Gulf News, citing reports on Lebanese TV, said a "paramilitary" group came to Ghosn's house "in the guise of a band for Christmas dinner," and they hid Ghosn inside one of their equipment boxes when they left the home at the end of the evening.
wrong thread...
And in other Nissan-related news, the guy who they put in charge to turn things around, Jun Seki, quit after 25 days on the job. My guess is, he got read in on the real sensitive Nissan business data and went "I want no part of this sinking ship." Nissan profits are down 70%, sales are down 16%, Infiniti sales are down 43%. I'd pull my ripcord and get the hell off that plane too.
pointofdeparture said:I guess the big question I have is, will this grand escape help or hurt Ghosn's cause in the court of public opinion? As oppressive as the Japanese criminal justice system may or may not be, Ghosn is now a bona-fide fugitive. Suddenly a lot of the harsh restrictions he was facing seem justifiable.
He better have something amazing cooked up for his press conference next Wednesday, that's for sure!
Also, as more details come out, the finer points of his escape just blow me away:
https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a30364009/carlos-ghosn-nissan-leaves-japan-before-trial/
Gulf News, citing reports on Lebanese TV, said a "paramilitary" group came to Ghosn's house "in the guise of a band for Christmas dinner," and they hid Ghosn inside one of their equipment boxes when they left the home at the end of the evening.
The smart move on Ghosn's part would be to have a trial in friendly Lebanon. Be found guilty of some petty infraction, pay a modest fine, and get on with his life.
codrus said:frenchyd said:Have you checked the conviction rate of most American prosecutors? Anything less than 97-98% rate and they hire a new prosecutor.
That depends on whether you include plea bargains or just cases that go to trial. The latter is something like 60-90% depending on what state (or feds) you're talking about.
Plea bargain is still considered a conviction.
NickD said:and went "I want no part of this sinking ship." Nissan profits are down 70%, sales are down 16%, Infiniti sales are down 43%. I'd pull my ripcord and get the hell off that plane too.
It would be hilarious if Nissan had a new blockbuster car under wraps and just about ready to launch the next 240Z success story.
Hilarious.
In reality I need to lay-off the homemade cough syrup during working hours cause we know I'm hallucinating right now.
NickD said:And in other Nissan-related news, the guy who they put in charge to turn things around, Jun Seki, quit after 25 days on the job. My guess is, he got read in on the real sensitive Nissan business data and went "I want no part of this sinking ship." Nissan profits are down 70%, sales are down 16%, Infiniti sales are down 43%. I'd pull my ripcord and get the hell off that plane too.
Isn't he the second successor, too? First it was Hiroto Saikawa, who resigned after a hilarious bout of "oops, it actually turns out I got some of those sweet Ghosn kickbacks, maybe I shouldn't be in charge..."
frenchyd said:The smart move on Ghosn's part would be to have a trial in friendly Lebanon. Be found guilty of some petty infraction, pay a modest fine, and get on with his life.
Then too bad for the people who were harmed by his law breaking, eh? No bid deal?
While I understand that there are people out there who really suspect the government and their prosecution, lets go to the other side- if he did commit these crimes, and it does result in Nissan tanking, what about all of the workers who lose their jobs and benefits because of someone breaking the law? Seems like just letting him get on with his life is a pretty lame thing to do considering the impact on others. He's being accused of embezzling money from Nissan in the millions. That's theft from a company that is struggling to make money. And one should note- he's not only under the gun from Japanese Authorities, he's ALSO under charges from Nissan directly.
If I stole money from my company, I'm sure I'd hardly get a slap on the wrist and let on with my life, and there's no way I can take millions.
I miss the old Nissan...
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