Factory Five design contest thread

In reply to Birbilis:

Hey, thanks. It's all freehand in photoshop.

aha! do you use graphic tablet to define the shadows?

Yeah, these I've just been drawing kind of small, using my Motion tablet, not the Wacom on the big screen.

In reply to Krozn:

Looks awesome, reminds me of a TVR and that is a good thing.

Stoianov wrote: I need some help.. please i don't know how to send mail in outlook , it gives me errors, i have sent them whit yahoo mail at contest@grassrootsmotorsports.com, i want to know if works to send the attachement in yahoo mail at this contest@grassrootsmotorsports.com,.! please..

It works, we have several entries from you. Thanks for being part of the contest!

In reply to Tom Heath:

thenx :) huh :D i'm ok now :D

@ Javelin & FlightService

Thank you, I'm glad you like it. I had not made the connection with TVR indeed, and yes we can see a similarity except that the TVR smiling and mine is angry (i think ^^ )

NXXN wrote:

Loving this!

Krozn wrote:

Also Loving This

phenotyp wrote:

Extra in love with this!

Kind of Sting Ray meets FC meets Lotus...needs moar rear end

BipDBo wrote: In reply to arif: Does that mean that I can rip off that one? Kidding. I had the original intent to get inspiration from the Cobra and Daytona coupe, but resolved that I couldn't achieve very good downforce that way. You proved me wrong because your cobra throwback looks like it could have pretty decent downforce on the nose, and could be agmented on the tail with a wing. I decided more to use the Alfa Romeo 33 Stradale for the front of the car. Unfortunately, I am not keen on the rest of the Stradle, so I decided to take get some lines from the Lamborghini Miura and the Porsche 904 for the rest of the car, both cars which are beautiful but I feel have ugly noses. What I like about your design is the minimalism. There is a temptation to add elements like creases, large intakes, or redundant or even non-functional intakes or outlets. These elements hurt aerodynamics and in my opinion, distract from the curves of the car. Your design has nothing that is not needed. You have an intake and outlet for the radiator that provide maximum downforce . You have dual intakes for the intercooler and air intake, and that air could exit the back. I would only suggest three tweeks to this design. First, to streamline the headlights, not for looks, but for aerodynamics. Second, redesign the rear intakes to be less jet-style, and more flowing with the curves of the car. If they were moved to the top of the fender, the line of the top of the door could flow into the the intake. Third, I think that in general, your intakes are slightly larger than they need to be. I reference the aerea of intake seen on the Daytona coupe and the single intercooler intake on the Subaru which is about the same size as one of your 2 fender intakes. Many production cars have over-sized grills for styling, which are mostly blanked off for aerodynamics. I find that kind of stupid.

Hello BipDBo, I am sure you have good understanding on car body design. Here my second submissions, what you think?

Arif, the over all form of your car looks great! However, I am not to keen with the hard break belt line of the body side panels. Without it the side panel will blend nicely with your soft front fenders which I like very much. Your dash to axil is way to much. It makes the car look more of a front engine rather mid-engine. For the rear...the hard creased break b/w the diffuser and the upper body is a little to powerful. To me it wants to have more subtle translation. Another word more finess. Other than that great job and good luck!

Hello again, we are having a small break that is why we stoped posting a lot of sketches lately. Senger your design is nice, with a few touches it could improve a lot and become one of the best. We haven't sent anything till now and for sure we need to make a little bit more acurrate drawings. Here are our latest thoughts, I think I have decided for the rear of my first proposal:

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Cr8tr wrote: Arif, the over all form of your car looks great! However, I am not to keen with the hard break belt line of the body side panels. Without it the side panel will blend nicely with your soft front fenders which I like very much. Your dash to axil is way to much. It makes the car look more of a front engine rather mid-engine. For the rear...the hard creased break b/w the diffuser and the upper body is a little to powerful. To me it wants to have more subtle translation. Another word more finess. Other than that great job and good luck!

Thank you for suggestion, sure I will alter the side body shape, I am not happy with this too. Btw, what you mean with this?: "Your dash to axil is way to much...." Sorry my english is not good. Here another images from side angle, what your thought?

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In reply to arif:

I assume that, by belt line, he is referring to the body feature line about 4" below the actual "belt" line.

"Dash to axle" is an old term that refers to the distance of the "dash" (usually as represented by the front door cut) to the front wheel. In the case of your design, the front door cut is way too far back (relative to the seat) to be functional - you couldn't swing your legs out. Some design advice - If you change your design every time somebody finds fault with it, you will never finish. Nor will it necessarily get any better. Of course, if there is a functional problem, you should address it.

Thanas, I see you are still cheating your wheels unrealistically big on that side view.

Arif, this is what I had in mind from my comments. I don't have time to figure out how to attached pictures here. If you provide me your email I'll be gladly to send you what I have done to your car. Hope you don't mind. It was a 7 minute photoshop changes. Once you get the images please post it here.

Cr8tr wrote: Arif, this is what I had in mind from my comments. I don't have time to figure out how to attached pictures here. If you provide me your email I'll be gladly to send you what I have done to your car. Hope you don't mind. It was a 7 minute photoshop changes. Once you get the images please post it here.

OK, here my email: arif_concept@hotmail.com

olpro wrote: In reply to arif: I assume that, by belt line, he is referring to the body feature line about 4" below the actual "belt" line. "Dash to axle" is an old term that refers to the distance of the "dash" (usually as represented by the front door cut) to the front wheel. In the case of your design, the front door cut is way too far back (relative to the seat) to be functional - you couldn't swing your legs out. Some design advice - If you change your design every time somebody finds fault with it, you will never finish. Nor will it necessarily get any better. Of course, if there is a functional problem, you should address it. Thanas, I see you are still cheating your wheels unrealistically big on that side view.

Thanks for explaining. I like to learn something from others especially on body proportion, it help me a lot to do the job easier & faster.

Canoe design contest?

In reply to arif: It's a beautiful car, no doubt with a lot of inspiration from Ferrari, but I don't like it nearly as much as the Cobra design. For this one, you seemed to have focused much more on drawing a beautiful car, but less on the function. It has nice lines, which complement each other very well. It just doesn't look like the 818 to me. The 818 shouldn't look like a V12 supercar, but should rather be very minimalist, like the Lotus 211. It will have a high, probably exposed roll bar, and may not have a windshield. If it has doors, they will likely not be very big because the space frame will be high on the sides. I think that it is a safe assumpton that the 818 will use donor WRX wheels for cost reasons. If they are to be changed, they should probably be smaller at least in front, but no larger. Your wheels look a bit larger than the WRX wheels. Designers usually oversize wheels, but engineers usually bring the size down again because not only are wheels expensive and heavy, but they have both linear and rotational enertia, so saving mass at the wheels has a double benefit. The 818 will likely use a single radiator in front center. I liked your Cobra design better, which brought the air right into the radiator, and exhausted up through the hood, which minimized drag and maximized downforce. There seems to be more area of intake than exhaust, and I think that this should be reversed, otherwise, air will need to escape out the bottom of the car, which is not good. I do like the rear fender intakes, which can be easily ducted to the top mounted intercooler. Also, the 818 will likely have a single exhaust since the WRX has a single turbo.

Silly question here, very late in the game, but is aerodynamics a consideration in the judging or is it a purely style/saleability contest?

Form over function or function over form or a classic blend?

In reply to arif: You said that you are sure that i have good understanding on car design. I appreciate your vote of confidence, but I should qualify myself. I am a mechanical engineer with a degree in mechanical engineering and limited education on aerodynamics and naval architecture. I understand physics and machines, so my critiques of your design are based on its function. I have a lot of experience with automotive repair and maintenance, but no formal education in automotive design. Therefore, my opinion on styling is no more valuable than any other guy on the internet. Your work shows that you are a much more talented artist than I. In my opinion, functional, aerodynamic, high downforce car shapes tend to be ugly. The shelby Aero is a perfect example. What impressed me about your designs, (particularly the Cobra) is that they are both functional and beautiful. The Cobra also pays homage to Factory Five's flagship. Don't put too much stock in other people's opinions. The most important thing is that you design what you like. You must love it.

In reply to arif: What software are you using?

BipDBo wrote: In reply to arif: What software are you using?

3d max + vray

Soooooo................... about those judges..