Petrov's launch was a bit startling. From the in car, it didn't look that bad, but the head on shot I went WHOA!
I am pretty mad at Hamilton for brake checking Fernando. That was a 2nd place finish for sure. Fernando was setting up to pass when Lewis locked up his brakes and caused the contact. Just more fodder for why I don't like Lewis.
Turns out F1 with jumps is way cooler than F1 without jumps.
Maroon92 wrote: Petrov's launch was a bit startling. From the in car, it didn't look that bad, but the head on shot I went WHOA! I am pretty mad at Hamilton for brake checking Fernando. That was a 2nd place finish for sure. Fernando was setting up to pass when Lewis locked up his brakes and caused the contact. Just more fodder for why I don't like Lewis.
So did he brake check (brake early) or lock is brakes (normally braking too late)??? Hard to do both....
And since fernando was following, it's his fault.
You illustrate why I don't like Ferrari.
He braked too hard too early. It's very easy to do both.
alfadriver wrote: And since fernando was following, it's his fault.
You can clearly see, if you watched again, that Lewis braked way too early, way too quickly. He basically stabbed the brakes hard enough to puff smoke as Fernando was just jinking out to the right to pass into the braking zone. Clearly Fernando was not on the brakes yet, so why would he assume Lewis would be? Doesn't seem like an "at fault to the following driver" to me.
The FIA have engineered the cars to be able to draft up close, but you still have to rely on trust that the car ahead won't intentionally damage your car.
Disregard the commentary. What would cause Hamilton to suddenly brake in the middle of a zone where he should still be on the power? Seems like, at the very least, he let off the throttle.
I call shenanigans.
I have to agree, why did the McLaren slow so radically at a point where he should be on full throttle, and to add further the McLaren jinks to the right, into the path of a car that would be making a move to overtake.
If it wasn't deliberate it was exceedingly irresponsible for an F1 driver
Well, they were both penalized 20 seconds so, officially, they are both at fault. Hamilton for moving over aggressively, and Alonso for deciding to plow into the back of Ham rather than back off.
Drivers put other drivers into "back off or we both wreck" situations all the time, and Alonso simply decided to go for the latter this time.
I read on a couple of F1 sites that Lewis' penalty was for changing his line more than once in a separate incident with Alonso that we may have missed during a commercial. Don't know whether that's true or not.
Also, Lewis was lapping a couple of seconds a lap slower at that point (the contact) due to trashed tires and stopped a couple of laps later - so he would have been braking earlier due to lack of grip. Not defending him, just giving another perspective. Either way, these are supposed to be racers at the top level, not HPDE drivers. They were racing incidents, let 'em race.
In reply to Maroon92:
early is relative. If you have tires going bad, you are going to HAVE to brake early. If you decide that you have to follow that close, it's up to you to keep track of when the guy in front is braking.
Haven't seen a second of the race, and don't plan on it.
Seeing that Lewis got a penalty for making more than one manuver- I can buy that- that's basically blocking.
But being hit from behind? That's the trailing guys fault all the time.
alfadriver wrote: Haven't seen a second of the race, and don't plan on it.
WHAT???!!! YOU HAVEN'T EVEN SEEN THE RACE? If you have not seen the incident, you cannot comment on this. Using generalizations on who is at fault is ignorant, and that is why we have the IndyCar series. Having bad tires is no reason to jab the brakes in an acceleration zone.
Maroon92 wrote:alfadriver wrote: Haven't seen a second of the race, and don't plan on it.WHAT???!!! YOU HAVEN'T EVEN SEEN THE RACE? If you have not seen the incident, you cannot comment on this. Using generalizations on who is at fault is ignorant, and that is why we have the IndyCar series. Having bad tires is no reason to jab the brakes in an acceleration zone.
Sure I can- you are making generalizations on when you are even allowed to brake- why can't I? When is it not the responsibility of the trailing driver to PAY ATTENTION?
BTW, I've seen other comments on boards who clearly put the blame in Alonso's lap- including dihard Ferrari fans. One didn't actually see Hamilton's block penalty- since it apparently happened a lap prior.
One other question- were you a fan of Schumi or Senna?
I don't like Schumacher because of his tactics. I appreciate Senna, in spite of his tactics.
What does that say about me? 
^ heheheh
Maroon92, I'm not sure where you get Hamilton hit the brakes. I thought he at least moved over into Alonso a bit but, after watching it again, he didn't really even do that. Just a racing incident, regardless of how much you may not like Hamilton...
Jamesc2123 wrote: ^ heheheh Maroon92, I'm not sure where you get Hamilton hit the brakes. I thought he at least moved over into Alonso a bit but, after watching it again, he didn't really even do that. Just a racing incident, regardless of how much you may not like Hamilton...
Well, I watched the video a few times before it was pulled from the web. Hamilton slowed dramatically on the exit of a turn leading into another turn. Alonso had a 20-25 mile per hour speed differential as he hit Hamilton's right rear. That right rear showed a small puff of lockup smoke just before Alonso's front wing hit. (this is seen from the rear view camera on Lewis' car)
OP - Vettle might have a chance this year? Four wins in a row is a pretty good chance. I can't wait for racing to get back to Europe so I don't have to get up in the miiddle of the night like on workdays. I thik they shoul lose the KERS and go to fully driver controlled or completely automatic wings.
Typical alfadriver making a fuss over something he doesn't even watch. 
The FIA fined and placed points penalties on both Hamilton and Alonso for the incident.
"Following the race, FIA stewards handed 20-second penalties to both Lewis Hamilton and Fernando Alonso. Both were penalized for their part in the epic battle between the two former world champions, Hamilton for illegally defending his position against Alonso by zig-zagging across the track and Alonso for making contact with Hamilton's car while in pursuit. The penalty drops Hamilton from seventh place in the finishing order to eighth and revokes two championship points from both standings, but since Kamui Kobayashi finish significantly behind, doesn't affect Alonso's."
I'd say that's plenty definitive that Hamilton was being a jerk. Kinda hard for Alonso not to hit him when he's intentionally blocking.
Hamilton... Alonso........ both HACKS 
Vettel stomped on everyone... oh... and although he had KERS @ the start... Vettel was not able to use it from some point after that through the rest of the race.
Newey has the field covered....
oldeskewltoy wrote: Newey has the field covered....
True words. Therefore I must quote them...
ehhh I want the 90's back....even the early 2000's
The last two have been good compared to the last few years but...still. I think Petrov will surprise when he's not getting airborne and those damn Redbulls are dominating again
I've rarely had anyone to talk to about F1. Looks like I do now.
Many, but not all, of the most successful drivers in history were in fact ruthless. Senna, Shuey, Earnheart to name 3. I respect all of their abilities but NOT some of their admitted tactics. Some mellowed with age, some didn't. I tried to watch the video posted above but it's been removed. In the replays I saw, I could never see that Hamilton actually did anything that obvious. If Alonso was trying to follow close and keep his momentum up in order to try a pass, it's no wonder he hit Hamilton's tire. I don't see where HE made a huge error either. However, the officials probably had eye witness reports and other camera veiws than the one I saw to base their decision on.
I just think racing now has become too............"he started it!!"....just lots of....complaining
Webber out in first qualifying....I am not happy, what is going on at Red Bull
Vettel improved by a full second each session, and was 
7 tenths ahead of Jensen and Lewis. I think its possible that kid might eventually make something of himself.
Mark must have had an anchor on the rear wing, I guess.
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