NY Nick
NY Nick SuperDork
3/20/24 9:45 a.m.

Now for the lighter side of F1. VB is epic since leaving Merc. This is hysterical.

 

Tom_Spangler (Forum Supporter)
Tom_Spangler (Forum Supporter) UltimaDork
3/20/24 10:28 a.m.

Valterri is just a gem. laugh

alfadriver
alfadriver MegaDork
3/20/24 10:37 a.m.

In reply to loosecannon :

Make the rules closer to Indycar for now.  They run on much harsher tracks, and still manage to not hurt themselves.  Probably that means making them higher, but that's ok.  Indycars can follow really close to each other- so that works out.  Let alone, the last time the cars slowed down a lot, there was massive cry how the cars suck.

As for the engines, how much do they need OEM money input?  If it's nothing, go back to the days when Cosworth and Hart were suppliers.  But I don't see them going away from money.  They are kind of stuck relying on OEM's to input a ton of money into the system.

Hoppps
Hoppps Reader
3/20/24 11:59 a.m.

In reply to NY Nick :

That is honestly gold! 
 

Here's the link to rent it...if only I lived in Australia

https://www.ubercarshare.com/trips/new?vehicle_id=272528

NorseDave
NorseDave HalfDork
3/20/24 12:39 p.m.

So.... 

You can seriously rent that car??

Wally (Forum Supporter)
Wally (Forum Supporter) MegaDork
3/22/24 6:27 a.m.

How do you pack for a race halfway around the world and not bring an extra car?  And pull a kid out of his car that hasn't already wrecked two cars in the same corner. There's so much I don't understand about the pinnacle of motorsports. 

NY Nick
NY Nick SuperDork
3/22/24 8:02 a.m.

wvumtnbkr
wvumtnbkr PowerDork
3/22/24 8:07 a.m.
Wally (Forum Supporter) said:

How do you pack for a race halfway around the world and not bring an extra car?  And pull a kid out of his car that hasn't already wrecked two cars in the same corner. There's so much I don't understand about the pinnacle of motorsports. 

Well, to be fair...  Sargeant isn't known for NOT wrecking cars.  He also only got 1 point last year versus albons 27 pts.  1 point is currently the difference between 6th and 10th in the constructors championship and multiple millions of dollars.

As far as not bringing another chassis...  totally possible that a team that uses excel to manage their program might not have another chassis.

It's pretty E36 M3ty for Sargeant (and williams).

loosecannon
loosecannon SuperDork
3/22/24 8:14 a.m.

I'm getting so tired of Toto Wolff saying "the car didn't perform as expected". It seems to me that Mercedes biggest problem is that their CFD , wind tunnel  and simulation data don't match what is happening on track, where Red Bull seems to have its simulations nailed down. There's no limit (other than cost cap) on getting on top of this problem, this should be their first priority

trigun7469
trigun7469 UltraDork
3/22/24 8:18 a.m.

In reply to Wally (Forum Supporter) :

I like Logan and I think he has talent, I have followed his career since karting. Other then Crawford who is starting to look good in F2, Logan is the best American. This move among others tells me they are not supportive of him, and this is Red Bull like cut throat move. I don't know what the goals of Logan's current contract but if it is to score points and they are telling him to sit out, if they decide to toss him from the seat during the season, I wonder if he will take legal action. If Albon balls it up into the wall and doesn't score points it's not going to look well.  It's pretty clear that a American will not be on the grid in 2025.

 

In reply to wvumtnbkr :

To be fair the team is built around Albon, and having been kicked to the curb by RB when  the car was built around max, further explains how F1 works. Albon is fairly lucky to get a second chance. Logan on the other hand will obviously not be in F1 after this year.

NY Nick
NY Nick SuperDork
3/22/24 8:27 a.m.

I do hate it for Logan, clearly he is the #2 driver at that team. He earned that spot on performance for the past year and 2 races. That does not make the decision suck any less for him. I would like to see him do well but so far he hasn't been on par with his teammate. I understand the decision from the team. 

I am hopeful that Williams will be pulling out of this poo show that they are in and Vowels will get the business systems in place to allow them to operate effectively. Haas had this same problem (I think in Australia) a couple of years ago. After Mick binned it in practice they didn't have enough parts to rebuild the car.

Tom_Spangler (Forum Supporter)
Tom_Spangler (Forum Supporter) UltimaDork
3/22/24 8:59 a.m.
loosecannon said:

I'm getting so tired of Toto Wolff saying "the car didn't perform as expected". It seems to me that Mercedes biggest problem is that their CFD , wind tunnel  and simulation data don't match what is happening on track, where Red Bull seems to have its simulations nailed down. There's no limit (other than cost cap) on getting on top of this problem, this should be their first priority

I completely agree. Then again, I may be biased, because RBR uses my company's CAD and simulation software, and Merc uses our competition... laugh

alfadriver
alfadriver MegaDork
3/22/24 9:22 a.m.
loosecannon said:

I'm getting so tired of Toto Wolff saying "the car didn't perform as expected". It seems to me that Mercedes biggest problem is that their CFD , wind tunnel  and simulation data don't match what is happening on track, where Red Bull seems to have its simulations nailed down. There's no limit (other than cost cap) on getting on top of this problem, this should be their first priority

Kind of makes Wolfe look a little silly as a leader that he's not figured out how to deal with and prevent that problem.  Or very much does....

trigun7469
trigun7469 UltraDork
3/22/24 9:37 a.m.

In reply to loosecannon :

RBR is by far miles ahead of everyone, until there is a rule change asking the same question over and over to Wolf the generic response is expected. Just like everyone else had the same answer when Mercedes was dominating. I think this is a better question in 2026.

06HHR (Forum Supporter)
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3/22/24 9:53 a.m.
alfadriver said:
loosecannon said:

I'm getting so tired of Toto Wolff saying "the car didn't perform as expected". It seems to me that Mercedes biggest problem is that their CFD , wind tunnel  and simulation data don't match what is happening on track, where Red Bull seems to have its simulations nailed down. There's no limit (other than cost cap) on getting on top of this problem, this should be their first priority

Kind of makes Wolfe look a little silly as a leader that he's not figured out how to deal with and prevent that problem.  Or very much does....

Not only that, they haven't been able to get any correlation with their data in the last 4 years (going back to development of the W13) they have a fundamental issue that's as bad as Williams building their car on an Excel spreadsheet.  Three races in and they are back at square one, throwing random E36 M3 at the car and seeing what happens.  It is a spectacular failure, and yet they are still the 3rd or 4th best car on the grid depending on McLaren and Aston (and lately CashAppRacingBullVisaWTFever) getting their act together. 

maschinenbau
maschinenbau PowerDork
3/22/24 10:11 a.m.

It's not like Williams just forgot the spare chassis at home. They simply don't have one. They barely got two cars ready in time for the first race.

That said, I fully agree with giving it to Albon. He's their only hope for scoring points this weekend. Sucks but that's just how it is in such a competitive sport. It's not about fairness, it's about winning.

Tom_Spangler (Forum Supporter)
Tom_Spangler (Forum Supporter) UltimaDork
3/22/24 10:53 a.m.
maschinenbau said:

It's not like Williams just forgot the spare chassis at home. They simply don't have one. They barely got two cars ready in time for the first race.

Insane. But just remember, folks. Andretti, with backing from General berkeleying Motors, would not "add value" to F1. frown

wvumtnbkr
wvumtnbkr PowerDork
3/22/24 11:04 a.m.
Tom_Spangler (Forum Supporter) said:
maschinenbau said:

It's not like Williams just forgot the spare chassis at home. They simply don't have one. They barely got two cars ready in time for the first race.

Insane. But just remember, folks. Andretti, with backing from General berkeleying Motors, would not "add value" to F1. frown

Yea the Andretti thing is nuts to me.  However, I think a more detailed way to say it is that Andretti would not add value to current f1 teams.  

The way f1 is setup is all kinds of screwy. 

MiniDave
MiniDave HalfDork
3/22/24 1:25 p.m.

Fun to see the Ferraris up on top in Practice 2, and the Astons and even the Vcarb seem to have some pace. Of course none of this matters till Qually.....

I agree with Eddie Jordan, F1 needs to add a couple more teams - there are too many potential good drivers unable to get into the show, and I agree that having some more engine players would be a good thing.

My idea, ditch the electrics and go back to ICE engines only, keep the fuel restrictions and maybe go to a "green" fuel. That would cut costs hugely and allow some more engine builders back into the game

stroker
stroker PowerDork
3/22/24 2:11 p.m.
MiniDave said:

Fun to see the Ferraris up on top in Practice 2, and the Astons and even the Vcarb seem to have some pace. Of course none of this matters till Qually.....

I agree with Eddie Jordan, F1 needs to add a couple more teams - there are too many potential good drivers unable to get into the show, and I agree that having some more engine players would be a good thing.

My idea, ditch the electrics and go back to ICE engines only, keep the fuel restrictions and maybe go to a "green" fuel. That would cut costs hugely and allow some more engine builders back into the game

IMHO F1 is missing privateers.  The owners of F1 should contract somebody currently uninvolved with F1 to make a "spec" tub (e.g. Dallara) and offer the opportunity for privateers to contract for a powerplant from one of the current mfgs.  I think teams like Minardi were an asset to the series...  

Wally (Forum Supporter)
Wally (Forum Supporter) MegaDork
3/22/24 4:58 p.m.
Tom_Spangler (Forum Supporter) said:
maschinenbau said:

It's not like Williams just forgot the spare chassis at home. They simply don't have one. They barely got two cars ready in time for the first race.

Insane. But just remember, folks. Andretti, with backing from General berkeleying Motors, would not "add value" to F1. frown

This makes it harder to take seriously. I was assuming that there was a financial reason behind it I was missing because of their budget rules. Not having a third car is worse. When he wads this one up how many races are they sitting out until they cobble something together?  

Iusedtobefast
Iusedtobefast Reader
3/22/24 11:57 p.m.

Ummm, I thought F1 teams aren't allowed to have a third car.  My understanding is they can have all the parts but not a third tub. Maybe I'm wrong, wouldn't be the first time

Keith Tanner
Keith Tanner MegaDork
3/23/24 1:50 a.m.
stroker said:
MiniDave said:

Fun to see the Ferraris up on top in Practice 2, and the Astons and even the Vcarb seem to have some pace. Of course none of this matters till Qually.....

I agree with Eddie Jordan, F1 needs to add a couple more teams - there are too many potential good drivers unable to get into the show, and I agree that having some more engine players would be a good thing.

My idea, ditch the electrics and go back to ICE engines only, keep the fuel restrictions and maybe go to a "green" fuel. That would cut costs hugely and allow some more engine builders back into the game

IMHO F1 is missing privateers.  The owners of F1 should contract somebody currently uninvolved with F1 to make a "spec" tub (e.g. Dallara) and offer the opportunity for privateers to contract for a powerplant from one of the current mfgs.  I think teams like Minardi were an asset to the series...  

Isn't HASS basically a privateer? They bought as much of that car as they could.

This suggestion sounds like a support series, like LMP2 or F2. F1 is not the place for spec. 

loosecannon
loosecannon SuperDork
3/23/24 7:42 a.m.
Tom_Spangler (Forum Supporter) said:
loosecannon said:

I'm getting so tired of Toto Wolff saying "the car didn't perform as expected". It seems to me that Mercedes biggest problem is that their CFD , wind tunnel  and simulation data don't match what is happening on track, where Red Bull seems to have its simulations nailed down. There's no limit (other than cost cap) on getting on top of this problem, this should be their first priority

I completely agree. Then again, I may be biased, because RBR uses my company's CAD and simulation software, and Merc uses our competition... laugh

How does your software work? What are the inputs and the outputs? I don't know if these are good questions, I just want to know more about the software and how the teams use it

NY Nick
NY Nick SuperDork
3/23/24 10:11 a.m.

In reply to loosecannon :

Red Bull uses NX and Merc uses Catia. Both are pretty similar in that they incorporate design, PLM and analysis. Catia seems to have more automotive presence and NX is huge in aerospace. 

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