alfadriver said:
In reply to Keith Tanner :
Speaking of Horner whining, just saw a vlog that the FIA changed the rules- being very specific about eliminating brake biasing on one axle. The vlog speculated that it was directed at RBR, and the recent downturn of theirs is the result of removing hardware that they were using at previous events. Now that directive is hard coded in the rules.
Oh, that's interesting. They were doing some sort of vectoring. Not quite two brake pedals, but maybe set on the wheel?
What about a slight amount of brake on throttle application to limit wheelspin? Maybe the system goes into harvest as well, so the majority of the "over power" is captured and brake the inside wheel.
In reply to jmabarone :
Manually, you can, but the wheels have to have the same brake pressure.
I've seen a simple system (at least in theory) from a BMW touring car from the early 90's (E36), it was mounted in the passenger footwell and was basically a weight that could swing left/right and as it did so took pressure off the inside front wheel.
In reply to crankwalk (Forum Supporter) :
Forget being in different teams,too many variables.
Head to head both in Red they each have 3 wins and Charles has only 1 more podium so pretty even.
But I see Charles making WAAY more costly mistakes then Carlos,how many times has Leclec tossed it in the gravel or a wall when it really mattered vs Carlos?.
Also Carlos is far more calm and controlled in the car,Leclec pretty much the complete opposite.
I'd keep Carlos in a heartbeat
crankwalk (Forum Supporter) said:
kevlarcorolla said:
I think Ferrari let the wrong guy go,would've been happy to see Carlos at Mercedes.
What makes you say that beside just personality preference?
Leclerc has more wins, podiums, poles (by a long shot), points per race, fastest laps...... all in 3 fewer seasons. I really enjoy Carlos but given the opportunity to put Hamilton in a Ferrari and pick between those two, it's Leclerc all day.
Thanks for that. I guess I see LeClrec as someone that just makes too many mistakes despite being VERY good. I didn't ever go to the stats between them to understand that despite the mistakes he still edges Sainz.
adam525i said:
I've seen a simple system (at least in theory) from a BMW touring car from the early 90's (E36), it was mounted in the passenger footwell and was basically a weight that could swing left/right and as it did so took pressure off the inside front wheel.
No need for that on a current F1 car, it'll have all the data it needs in the system to figure out where the brakes are best used. Heck, any street car today does. But they're not allowed to do it in F1, that's the thing that has just been baked into the rules.
In reply to kevlarcorolla :
Hmmm good counter point. I guess I should look at the numbers LOL
But I am never a Ferrari fan (not a hater either, just not inspired to care about them more than Alpine) so next year with Lewis there I may actually pay attention.
In reply to Advan046 :
I'm a follower of drivers not teams,couldn't really care less about teams....well sorta as just about everything about RBR rubs me the wrong way lol.
kevlarcorolla said:
Forget being in different teams,too many variables.
Head to head both in Red they each have 3 wins and Charles has only 1 more podium so pretty even.
Since 2021 (basically the years they were in the same car), LeClerc has 1 more podium but a lot more 2nds vs 3rds and 850 points to LeClerc vs 772.5 to Sainz. Both have 8 retirements, but 6 of Sainz's were related to collisions, whereas only 3 of LeClerc's were.
Some of you are overlooking that LeClerc is an output of the Ferrari driver program but Sainz is not. That does matter in terms of who gets some bias from the team.
In reply to codrus (Forum Supporter) :
Thanks for the intel.
I stand by my opinion :)
Go find the Sky sports podcast interview with Karun Chandok on YouTube.
Good story.
In reply to Streetwiseguy :
About?
Interesting rumor is that Álex Palou is being considered for Audi. His driving style might actually suite F1, as he has learned alot from Dixon on tire and fuel conservation and timing. He somewhat reminds me of Jenson Button, on and off the track. Hopefully he has some good advice on dealing with contracts this time around 
It's looking more and more like the silly season will be completed by the time the summer break is over.....pieces are starting to fall into place with the music just about ending for the remaining seats.
Keith Tanner said:
adam525i said:
I've seen a simple system (at least in theory) from a BMW touring car from the early 90's (E36), it was mounted in the passenger footwell and was basically a weight that could swing left/right and as it did so took pressure off the inside front wheel.
No need for that on a current F1 car, it'll have all the data it needs in the system to figure out where the brakes are best used. Heck, any street car today does. But they're not allowed to do it in F1, that's the thing that has just been baked into the rules.
Yes, I know ABS exists in street cars and that F1 cars collect all the data. Not a lot you can do with that data when it comes to controlling brakes in realtime though as that has been thoroughly banned multiple times in the past already (any sort of ABS), same with driver controlled side to side bias (98 McLaren). It seems Redbull had some sort of device though that was enough in the gray to get by with how the rules were written to put a different force on the brakes on a single axle. I mentioned that mechanical systems in the past have been used to do this, I would imagine their system was much more compact, sophisticated and likely looked like a normal piece of brake hardware so other teams wouldn't figure it out.
Looks like you may be right. Here's a theory on the device. Clever monkeys.
https://www.instagram.com/p/C-ta0jgtEoZ/?igsh=MTE5em1mZTV5cHVyZA%3D%3D&img_index=1
Red Bull Racing may have run a G sensitive bias valve in the braking system. In turns it would increase braking effort to the inside tyre, improving turn in and reducing the energy (thus deg/wear) on the outer tyres. Such a system was outlawed in a mid season update to the rules.
So how much did this hurt RB vs the others catching up I wonder.
Given the fact that everyone "caught up" at the same time - I think it hurt them.
NY Nick
SuperDork
8/17/24 9:12 a.m.
I have to wonder if this was the case for all of 22 and 23? Those 2 seasons of total domination are in question to me now. My second question about this is what are the chances this was on one car and not the other? Did Checo actually forget how to drive or did Max have a huge advantage which shattered Perez's confidence? If you are -.5s a lap due to an unknown car difference plus Max is spectacular so maybe you are off another tenth or two then it looks like you are awful it can become a death spiral.
I don't understand why clever ideas are banned when they are clearly within the rules. Do they want F1 to be advanced cars or not? DAS, F-duct, mass damper, g-force biasing t-fitting, etc are really clever and within the rules as they were written at the time. If Formula 1 wants everybody to be exactly the same, just make the cars spec and be done with it. The rules are way too complicated and defined. Formula 1 should let me write the rules, I could fix this E36 M3
In reply to NY Nick :
It could be that Max was better able to take advantage of the tweak. Iirc it's like the Vettel RB era, he figured out how to really work the blown diffuser.
