http://www.ford.ie/AboutFord/GenevaMotorshow2015
So people saying it was 315 turns out to be untrue. This is the first serious performance bump in this class of vehicle in a while. Glad to see that it's finally happening. What this means for people doing remaps: i'm rubbing my hands greedily at the thought of the easy power potential of a car that makes this stock with just a remap.
Hopefully it's competition, the STI, get's a new DI engine soon with similar power ratings in this arms race.
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Nice! I was a little bummed by the 315 figure. IT SEEMED odd that an updated EB2.3 would make same power as the mustang. Golf R has been putting down great numbers with a tune, but VW...
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say the 350 PS figure on the Ford Ireland website is probably not the figure we're going to see here in the states with our lower octane gas :/
turtl631 wrote: Nice! I was a little bummed by the 315 figure. IT SEEMED odd that an updated EB2.3 would make same power as the mustang. Golf R has been putting down great numbers with a tune, but VW...
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Even better - when we get our Exploder paid for that is my planned vehicle to replace the Golf!
Waiting for USA data.
I'm back on the RS bandwagon. Was shopping everything from C63 AMG's (so cheap for what you get) to BMW E46 M3's. It will really come down to the overall build quality and refinement of the car.
The GLA45 AMG puts down that much from a 2.0 so ford getting it from a 2.3 seems the minimum I think they can put out there for the car.
Armitage wrote: I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say the 350 PS figure on the Ford Ireland website is probably not the figure we're going to see here in the states with our lower octane gas :/
I can't think of any cars in modern times that has less power here than in europe.
their premium is the same as 93, it's just measured differently.
At the NY Auto Show release, they still just said "greater than 315 HP". I'm not holding my breath at this point. I did see a vid where they mentioned 63mm turbine wheel versus 60mm for EB Mustang.
I spent some time in a Focus ST and a current STi yesterday. Priced the same, the STi will have some serious catching up to do.
I have a loaner Focus right now. I'm not sure if 345hp would make me like the car.
kanaric wrote: http://www.ford.ie/AboutFord/GenevaMotorshow2015 So people saying it was 315 turns out to be untrue. This is the first serious performance bump in this class of vehicle in a while. Glad to see that it's finally happening. What this means for people doing remaps: i'm rubbing my hands greedily at the thought of the easy power potential of a car that makes this stock with just a remap.
This reminds me of when the RX-8 was new. "N/A RX-7s have 146hp. Put an exhaust on and they make 210hp. So RX-8 makes 240hp, put an exhaust on then it makes 340hp!!!"
No. The added power from the factory is because they incorporated all of the tricks already. If there was more power to be had in software, it would already be there. My bet is that the horsepower is already limited by the turbo and/or the fuel pump.
That's awesome! What's not awesome is that I get the feeling that this car is going to cost about $20-$25k more than I care to spend on a car anynmore. Meh, won't need awd anymore in a few years when we're out of the wretched northeast anyway. If all goes well.
I test drove a focus ST last week and was very underwhelmed. Frankly the car felt slow- I was trying to figure out where all the rated HP was.
One of the most boring turbo cars I have driven.
Knurled wrote:kanaric wrote: http://www.ford.ie/AboutFord/GenevaMotorshow2015 So people saying it was 315 turns out to be untrue. This is the first serious performance bump in this class of vehicle in a while. Glad to see that it's finally happening. What this means for people doing remaps: i'm rubbing my hands greedily at the thought of the easy power potential of a car that makes this stock with just a remap.
I can't think of a turbo car in recent history that doesn't pick up big power from a tune. I wouldn't expect this to be different.
Swank Force One wrote: I can't think of a turbo car in recent history that doesn't pick up big power from a tune. I wouldn't expect this to be different.
How much power do they (cars in recent history) make with a remap alone? I know a few bolt ons + remap = big gains
In reply to ProDarwin:
Most pick up maybe 10%-15% reliably but the torque gains are bigger. You can always shoot for more but it's a gamble.
ProDarwin wrote:Swank Force One wrote: I can't think of a turbo car in recent history that doesn't pick up big power from a tune. I wouldn't expect this to be different.How much power do they (cars in recent history) make with a remap alone? I know a few bolt ons + remap = big gains
Depends on the car, and how boost is controlled. I know the ms3 and 335i in particular pick up huge power.
basic bolt ons, tune, and some e85 can get a 135/335 from about 260rwhp to 500rwhp.
Dietcoke wrote: basic bolt ons, tune, and some e85 can get a 135/335 from about 260rwhp to 500rwhp.
For a DI engine like this, that wouldn't work. For that matter, changing to E85 would reduce how much power it can make. The real limiter is the high pressure pump, which is volume limited.
Swank- many DI engines have big problems making big power. I know the 3.5l Duratec is pretty hard limited to barely over 400hp. Have to add a second pump to make more- which is a decent amount of engineering.
It's all in the turbos and how conservative the factory was with boost levels and such.
Audi was extremely conservative with the 2.7TT. Factory rating of 250 hp and 258 torques. APR stage 1 tune made those numbers 315 and 358. Normally aspirated motors can't simply dial up the boost so they don't respond nearly as well. I imagine that as engineers work harder and harder to get every bit of power and economy out of an engine there will be less on the table for the aftermarket to work with. But that just me guess. yMMV
In reply to KyAllroad:
Only partially. As I mentioned, DI engines are fuel flow limited.
The stock limits are there to protect all of the components from breaking- turbo over speed, over temp, exhaust over temp, torque limits on the trans, etc.
But I'm sure this engine will be forced to stop at 400hp on gas. Less than that on E85.
alfadriver wrote:Dietcoke wrote: basic bolt ons, tune, and some e85 can get a 135/335 from about 260rwhp to 500rwhp.For a DI engine like this, that wouldn't work. For that matter, changing to E85 would reduce how much power it can make. The real limiter is the high pressure pump, which is volume limited. Swank- many DI engines have big problems making big power. I know the 3.5l Duratec is pretty hard limited to barely over 400hp. Have to add a second pump to make more- which is a decent amount of engineering.
For every DI engine that has a problem making power, there's two that don't. I wouldn't expect this to be any different.
Limited to 400hp by 100% stock fuel system, i wouldn't be surprised. That's still a big gain for a tune, in my book.
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