Getting shot for turning down a street race?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/other/corvette-driver-shot-for-not-street-racing/ar-AAQhtWk?ocid=msedgntp

I don't get this. I have had people pull up beside me before revving their engine and wanting to race, just because I drive a Mustang. I don't street race. I just don't. I have been flipped off before and I have had guys in Chargers swerve aggressively towards me and away acting pissed because I won't race. Now this? Is this a thing now. 

About a month ago a woman in her 60s was killed along with her dog during a street race about 5 blocks away from me. The police are having a problem with "sideshows" going on all over town. I got rear ended a couple of days ago. About a year ago, Mrs. Snowdoggie had her Mazda 2 totaled by a hit and run driver in a full sized Dodge Ram. Are we living in the Wild Wild West now? 

That's the wrong kind of Pistol Grip.  Guess the Mustang driver was confused about a hole-shot too.

I was driving home on I-95 after dropping the kids off at school last week in my e92 M3 and after a while I noticed a Tesla Model 3 trying to challenge me to a pull. The thing is so quiet I did not even notice, he had to be frustrated because he pulled in front of me and started getting on the go pedal and letting off in front of me. LOL. 
 

One of the side effects of Covid seems to be overly aggressive behavior in general.

That sounds like the guys in the Mustang knew the Corvette driver. 

Must be a local kind of thing. I haven't really noticed a change in the aggressiveness of drivers, just a continued lack of attention because of cell usage. 

That said, if you are out late on Friday or Saturday you will see some wildness. Not really racing but general hooning. Kids will drive like idiots if they think they can get away with it. 

Probably shot because he refused a rematch.  Also:  Memphis.

This happened alot here in DC around 2003-2006. We used to go to the street races off V street and New Carrollton. It almost always ended up with a fight, stabbing or someone brandishing a gun. Definitely saw a few people get stabbed for not paying up or trying to argue over terms of a race. 

Toyman! said:

Must be a local kind of thing. I haven't really noticed a change in the aggressiveness of drivers, just a continued lack of attention because of cell usage. 

That said, if you are out late on Friday or Saturday you will see some wildness. Not really racing but general hooning. Kids will drive like idiots if they think they can get away with it. 

It's a serious problem where I live. I don't even have to read about it in the paper. I see it happen right in front of me when I drive to work. Somtimes my cars are damaged in the battle.

https://www.audacy.com/krld/news/local/north-texas-cities-joining-forces-battle-aggressive-driving

Dallas may be an unusual case. We have a huge influx of people from other big cites and especially from California. They blow into town with a whole lot of money and bid furiously on the few houses we have left for sale. Prices go up and natives get pushed aside. They are more aggressive than the natives in general. They drive aggressively. They are more aggressive in grocery store lines. They are walking up and down your street, knocking on your door wanting to buy your house or wanting to buy your car. They live a more aggressive lifestyle, probably because they are used to a place where land and resources are in shorter supply. Then the natives here feel pushed and they start getting more aggressive. It's like putting too many rats in the same sized cage. Most of this has taken place after the start of COVID and in the last year. You can feel the change here.

I tried to street race a 512BB in a K-Car Wagon once. He laughed and laughed, it was a good time. 

Everybody wanted to race the e28 M5. Occasionally I would do it. My favorite was a guy in a newer 911 and of course he smoked me. he slowed down and as I got beside him we both started laughing and kept on going.

Slippery said:

I was driving home on I-95 after dropping the kids off at school last week in my e92 M3 and after a while I noticed a Tesla Model 3 trying to challenge me to a pull. The thing is so quiet I did not even notice, he had to be frustrated because he pulled in front of me and started getting on the go pedal and letting off in front of me. LOL. 
 

Tesla drivers are quickly closing in on Charger/Challenger drivers as "most likely to try to race you/beat you to a merge/come up on you fast and blow by at an excessive speed to show off (and then slow down to a normal speed after doing so). 

kevinatfms said:

This happened alot here in DC around 2003-2006. We used to go to the street races off V street and New Carrollton. It almost always ended up with a fight, stabbing or someone brandishing a gun. Definitely saw a few people get stabbed for not paying up or trying to argue over terms of a race. 

I went down there once maybe around 2004 with few guys a knew from Capitol Heights. I like some general rowdiness, but after about 20 minutes there I decided to bail because it was getting well beyond "rowdy."

In reply to Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter) :

I live in DFW too.  It isn't that they are from a "more aggressive" area prior to coming here.  The simple fact is the world is full of bad people that do not value their fellow man anymore.  Take it from me, someone important here once told me they hope I die in fire because I disagreed with them.  Even if I were dead wrong, two wrongs didn't make anything right.  The inability of most to see or even acknowledge anyone else's point of view or respect their rights led to all of this.  If you haven't figured out the roots of that ideology, there is little hope for a better tomorrow. 

The root causes of this are far more complex than where everyone is from.  There are a few sociologists out there who are spot on about what is causing societal decay, but most people in this country and on the internet aren't ready to admit it or fix it.  It'll continue to get worse before it gets better too. 

AnthonyGS (Forum Supporter) said:

In reply to Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter) :

I live in DFW too.  It isn't that they are from a "more aggressive" area prior to coming here.  The simple fact is the world is full of bad people that do not value their fellow man anymore.  Take it from me, someone important here once told me they hope I die in fire because I disagreed with them.  Even if I were dead wrong, two wrongs didn't make anything right.  The inability of most to see or even acknowledge anyone else's point of view or respect their rights led to all of this.  If you haven't figured out the roots of that ideology, there is little hope for a better tomorrow. 

The root causes of this are far more complex than where everyone is from.  There are a few sociologists out there who are spot on about what is causing societal decay, but most people in this country and on the internet aren't ready to admit it or fix it.  It'll continue to get worse before it gets better too. 

 

The strange thing is, I also came to the DFW area from California by way of Colorado more than 20 years ago. I saw California grow in the 80s the way that Texas is growing today. I saw the blow up in real estate prices. I saw the Silicon Valley turn from idealism to an ugly form of greed. I see the same mentality coming here. Texas used to be such a friendly place with such different values. You can smell the change in the air. There is an Airbnb Party House in my neighborhood where naked drunk people puke in the front yard, park their cars up and down the street and leave garbage everywhere. A quick search on the county website showed that the owner lived in a very expensive part of California. Airbnb is a Silicon Valley invention. People who work here can't afford these houses anymore, but investors from out of state buy them and use them like hotels. Yes. Bad people come from everywhere. New York. New Mexico. Alaska. The Midwest. But they all seem to come here. All at the same time. 

In reply to Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter) :

I'm a lifelong Texan and I'm not going to disagree in the slightest.  Interesting short history lesson and prediction all in one.  At one time NYC was the wealthiest city in the world (textiles).  Next the wealthiest city in the world was Cleveland (steel industry), then after that it was Chicago (WW2 trade center and hub), then after that it was Detroit (post war auto industry).  Right now the wealthiest city in the world is San Francisco (silicon valley).  Look at all of them now.  Impressive or degenerate and crime ridden?  Dallas is the next San Francisco.  I am leaving TX, and everything you stated is a big part of the reason why.  Where I'm moving isn't perfect, but it's quite a bit smaller and not headed the same direction as DFW as fast.

If you want to experience the TX that I know and love, you have to leave DFW at least one hour in an East or West direction.  South gets you to Austin and San Antonio.  I was born down there and it too is not going the right direction.  North gets you into OK which honestly is more like TX was than DFW is now.  West TX though is still real TX with real nice people, but it too will change.  DFW, Austin, Houston and Austin are putting the state on a path that will make it more like CA is now. 

My neighborhood in DFW is a really nice family neighborhood with insane home demand as a result.  Our home is worth 50% more than when we built it 3 years ago.  I'm going to take that money elsewhere and very likely will never come back.  TX doesn't care about Texans or Texan values or culture anymore. 

AnthonyGS (Forum Supporter) said:

In reply to Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter) :

I'm a lifelong Texan and I'm not going to disagree in the slightest.  Interesting short history lesson and prediction all in one.  At one time NYC was the wealthiest city in the world (textiles).  Next the wealthiest city in the world was Cleveland (steel industry), then after that it was Chicago (WW2 trade center and hub), then after that it was Detroit (post war auto industry).  Right now the wealthiest city in the world is San Francisco (silicon valley).  Look at all of them now.  Impressive or degenerate and crime ridden?  Dallas is the next San Francisco.  I am leaving TX, and everything you stated is a big part of the reason why.  Where I'm moving isn't perfect, but it's quite a bit smaller and not headed the same direction as DFW as fast.

If you want to experience the TX that I know and love, you have to leave DFW at least one hour in an East or West direction.  South gets you to Austin and San Antonio.  I was born down there and it too is not going the right direction.  North gets you into OK which honestly is more like TX was than DFW is now.  West TX though is still real TX with real nice people, but it too will change.  DFW, Austin, Houston and Austin are putting the state on a path that will make it more like CA is now. 

My neighborhood in DFW is a really nice family neighborhood with insane home demand as a result.  Our home is worth 50% more than when we built it 3 years ago.  I'm going to take that money elsewhere and very likely will never come back.  TX doesn't care about Texans or Texan values or culture anymore. 

 

Quite a few of my favorite automotive YouTubers have gone to Tennessee.  Just sayin.

irish44j (Forum Supporter) said:

kevinatfms said:

This happened alot here in DC around 2003-2006. We used to go to the street races off V street and New Carrollton. It almost always ended up with a fight, stabbing or someone brandishing a gun. Definitely saw a few people get stabbed for not paying up or trying to argue over terms of a race. 

I went down there once maybe around 2004 with few guys a knew from Capitol Heights. I like some general rowdiness, but after about 20 minutes there I decided to bail because it was getting well beyond "rowdy."

They finally repaved the whole area and added speed bumps in like 2007/2008 timeframe which shut it down for good.

V street was done and gone by 2005ish. Cops bought a property on that road and used it as a substation. Troll level 1000.

There are still races that happen at "the bridge" in Frederick. I hear from friends about it and its at least far enough away from urban areas that the clientele arent as rowdy or reckless. I still wont go up though as my job has some severe consequences for even traffic tickets. So i avoid being stupid as much as i can.

Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter) said:

Dallas may be an unusual case. We have a huge influx of people from other big cites and especially from California. They blow into town with a whole lot of money and bid furiously on the few houses we have left for sale. Prices go up and natives get pushed aside. 

Not unusual -- it's happening in East TN as well.  LA County was the biggest point of origin for people moving into Knoxville this year.  My home value has increased 63% since 2018.  There isn't enough home inventory, so people are trying to rent.  Knoxville is getting 36 applicants for every available rental right now and rent prices are soaring, pushing lower income folks out into the country.  

However, all of the new transplants are posting all over the Knoxville subreddit about how aggressive we drive.  :)  Street racing isn't a big thing here.  Occasional Cars and Coffee shenanigans, but I generally attribute it to all of the world class driving roads outlets around here vs a lot of flat, straight, boring roads.  Keep it off the streets and head to The Dragon, Cherohala Skyway, Blue Ridge Pkwy.  Were also getting a real motorsports park, so HPDE opportunities will open up for a quick drive from either Nashville or Knoxville.  Flatrock USA Motorsports Park   BTW...planning a 6mi! circuit with lots of elevation.

I don't blame people for wanting to move here from CA.  Hopefully the purchasing power disparity will level out and people have better outlets to enjoy driving vs street racing.

A 401 CJ said:

AnthonyGS (Forum Supporter) said:

In reply to Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter) :

I'm a lifelong Texan and I'm not going to disagree in the slightest.  Interesting short history lesson and prediction all in one.  At one time NYC was the wealthiest city in the world (textiles).  Next the wealthiest city in the world was Cleveland (steel industry), then after that it was Chicago (WW2 trade center and hub), then after that it was Detroit (post war auto industry).  Right now the wealthiest city in the world is San Francisco (silicon valley).  Look at all of them now.  Impressive or degenerate and crime ridden?  Dallas is the next San Francisco.  I am leaving TX, and everything you stated is a big part of the reason why.  Where I'm moving isn't perfect, but it's quite a bit smaller and not headed the same direction as DFW as fast.

If you want to experience the TX that I know and love, you have to leave DFW at least one hour in an East or West direction.  South gets you to Austin and San Antonio.  I was born down there and it too is not going the right direction.  North gets you into OK which honestly is more like TX was than DFW is now.  West TX though is still real TX with real nice people, but it too will change.  DFW, Austin, Houston and Austin are putting the state on a path that will make it more like CA is now. 

My neighborhood in DFW is a really nice family neighborhood with insane home demand as a result.  Our home is worth 50% more than when we built it 3 years ago.  I'm going to take that money elsewhere and very likely will never come back.  TX doesn't care about Texans or Texan values or culture anymore. 

 

Quite a few of my favorite automotive YouTubers have gone to Tennessee.  Just sayin.

Nashville is growing just like Austin. As Austin housing and infrastructure continues to spiral out of control, Nashville is next. Trust me. 

AnthonyGS (Forum Supporter) said:

In reply to Snowdoggie (Forum Supporter) :

I'm a lifelong Texan and I'm not going to disagree in the slightest.  Interesting short history lesson and prediction all in one.  At one time NYC was the wealthiest city in the world (textiles).  Next the wealthiest city in the world was Cleveland (steel industry), then after that it was Chicago (WW2 trade center and hub), then after that it was Detroit (post war auto industry).  Right now the wealthiest city in the world is San Francisco (silicon valley).  Look at all of them now.  Impressive or degenerate and crime ridden?  Dallas is the next San Francisco.  I am leaving TX, and everything you stated is a big part of the reason why.  Where I'm moving isn't perfect, but it's quite a bit smaller and not headed the same direction as DFW as fast.

If you want to experience the TX that I know and love, you have to leave DFW at least one hour in an East or West direction.  South gets you to Austin and San Antonio.  I was born down there and it too is not going the right direction.  North gets you into OK which honestly is more like TX was than DFW is now.  West TX though is still real TX with real nice people, but it too will change.  DFW, Austin, Houston and Austin are putting the state on a path that will make it more like CA is now. 

My neighborhood in DFW is a really nice family neighborhood with insane home demand as a result.  Our home is worth 50% more than when we built it 3 years ago.  I'm going to take that money elsewhere and very likely will never come back.  TX doesn't care about Texans or Texan values or culture anymore. 

 

Austin is the next San Francisco, not Dallas. My employer is finishing up a 10,000+ employee center in Austin. And all the other big companies are building campuses there as well as many other tech companies that already have or are moving there. Tesla, is another great example. 

As in the post I made above this one, Nashville is going to start seeing this in the next 5-10 years. So if you have a house there sit on it, you're about to have it double in value and then you can go retire somewhere else if you want.