Grip vs Longevity 2013: Help me sort the current batch of tire options

I'd like to take the tires in this list and resort them into two lists, one with the quickest-lap-time tire listed first, and one with the longest-lifespan tire listed first.

This is the idea:

1. 'Quickest tire'
2. 'Second Quickest tire'
3. 'Third Quickest tire'
4. 'Fourth Quickest tire' ...

and

1. 'Longest Lasting tire'
2. 'Second Longest Lasting tire'
3. 'Third Longest Lasting tire'
4. 'Fourth Longest Lasting tire' ...

This is the list (sorted alphabetically):

Advan A048 BFGoodrich G-Force R1 Hankook Ventus Z-214 Hoosier R6 Kumho Ecsta V710 Maxxis Victra RC-1 Michelin Pilot Sport Cup Nitto NT01 Toyo Proxes RA1

Some of the hierarchy seems obvious. But some of these tires are new.

If there are other tires that should be added to the list, I'm interested in that, too.

I'm going to post it on a few different forums and then tally up the consensus.

So basically all semi slick/slick tires and on the road course?

This could be done with street AutoX rubber too.

If you trust UTQG treadware ratings, then the two lists would look like this, more or less.

Lap time and grip:

Kumho Ecsta v710 (30) BFGoodrich G-Force R1 (40) Hankook Ventus Z-214 (40) Hoosier R6 (40) Advan A048 (60) Michelin Pilot Sport Cup (80) Maxxis Victra RC-1 (100) Nitto NT01 (100) Toyo Proxes RA1 (100)

Long-lasting:

Toyo Proxes RA1 (100) Nitto NT01 (100) Maxxis Victra RC-1 (100) Michelin Pilot Sport Cup (80) Advan A048 (60) Hoosier R6 (40) Hankook Ventus Z-214 (40) BFGoodrich G-Force R1 (40) Kumho Ecsta v710 (30)

Still, that doesn't seem entirely accurate.

Precisely what I was going to do - check the treadware ratings, and reverse the order of grippiest for the longest lasting list.

Grip and longevity really don't go together. When looking for both you will be compromising each. Oxymoron ?.

Here's data that I can give.

Grip A6>v710

Longevity V710>A6

As an autocrosser, I put ~200 runs on multiple sets of V710s. They cycled out before they corded. Hoosier A6's on the other hand corded in less than 100 runs. Same car, same settings. (Miata)

That being said, what might make this easier to have people compare their personal experiences with each tire vs. another tire, then compile the data into something meaningful?

Just run them all on track days, it shouldn't be hard to run several in reasonably similar conditions and the same setup. Expensive though.

Not sure if you know Jack's reputation, but I think the only expensive thing Jack's ever done is build that car. I'm sure that's why he's here looking for opinions.

JackOlsen wrote: If you trust UTQG treadware ratings,

..which you shouldn't, since it is a completely arbitrary number assigned to the tire by the manufacturer.

Hoosier could mold Treadwear 200 in the AS307.

Build it quickly, build it cheap, build it with high quality - Choose two.

Lots of grip. Lasts a long time. Choose one.

Depends on what surface you are running on, too. We have a track in my region that, no matter the tire, comes off looking like its been chewed apart by rabid gophers.

Conventional wisdom seems to be:

grip: Hoosier R6 > Hanook Ventus > Toyo RR (you missed this one in your list) > (NT01, RA1)

life: same, but in reverse.