Good news and bad news.
The good news? There’s a new Civic Type R on the way.
The bad news? You’ll have to wait a little while longer for its full unveiling–at least until the people in lab coats get done testing it at the Nürburgring.
Honda says we can expect to see the…
It's already a better looking car as is.
Maybe they should have sold the current Type R with the camouflage in place, might have looked better. Although that car has certainly grown on me looks wise. New one looks nice.
I drove my wife's 2018 Honda Pilot 1200+ miles this weekend and at some point inside my head I convinced myself to dump my Silverado and get a new Type R.
Then I went to work today and realized I need a truck to make it easier to do my job. Also that $40,000 w/tax price is a stretch right now.
Sheesh, I still remember when the Honda N600's were being sold out of the local motorcycle shops side parking lot.
Somehow $40K for any Honda just seems obscene to me.
Definitely better looking than the last one with the exception of the upper grill area. Honda has been pursuing this ugly pronounced forehead shape in that area on all it's cars and it's awful looking. Please stop, Honda....
In reply to RichardSIA :
The average home price in the US in 1970 was $25k and is now $300k. Inflation is real. Also, it's a $25000 car with a $15000 drivetrain. What are the better performing options for $40k?
In reply to msterbeau :
I like to imagine the conversation happening something like this...
Designer: "Our idea for the new corporate grill is to base it on the sleek strength and agility of a porpoise."
Executive: "What a great idea... Beluga it is!"
Designer: ...
In reply to AaronT :
For $40K? Too numerous to list!
Of course for myself only "Classics" would make the cut since I despise the over-complexity and flimsiness of "Modern" cars.
Yep, I see no reason to be obligated to only consider the modern throw-away cars and their incredible depreciation.
Wait about five years and that $40K car will be around $8K or less, even with low mileage and never wrecked.
RichardSIA said:Wait about five years and that $40K car will be around $8K or less, even with low mileage and never wrecked.
Yeah, no. Depreciation is real but no $40k car becomes an $8k car in 5 years.
These are currently the cheapest 5-year-old Civic Type R's I can find for sale in the country:
MSRP was $33,900. Even if you paid over sticker to be the first, we'll call it an even $40k, that's about 5% per year in depreciation.
If you hate new cars, just say you hate new cars, don't make things up to justify it.
AaronT said:In reply to RichardSIA :
The average home price in the US in 1970 was $25k and is now $300k. Inflation is real. Also, it's a $25000 car with a $15000 drivetrain. What are the better performing options for $40k?
Actually it's a $6,700 engine with a $2,300 controls package. So a $9,000 engine, but it ain't the easiest to get your hands on one. Civic TYPE R crate engine available
RichardSIA said:In reply to AaronT :
For $40K? Too numerous to list!
Of course for myself only "Classics" would make the cut since I despise the over-complexity and flimsiness of "Modern" cars.
Yep, I see no reason to be obligated to only consider the modern throw-away cars and their incredible depreciation.
Wait about five years and that $40K car will be around $8K or less, even with low mileage and never wrecked.
Flimsiness of modern cars? Do we need to break out the '59 vs 2009' Bel Air/Malibu crash video, AGAIN? New cars definitely last longer when cared for.
Do certain makes have proclivities for certain issues? Of course. But I'm confident I could go buy a brand new 4Runner or Tacoma and have no real problem driving it 300k+ miles without major issues. That's why they hold their resale value so much.
Is that the new Integra?
It would be nice if we could buy the "R" for sticker
Yes flimsy, the car may still be running at high mileage but the flimsy plastic interior and accessories will be trashed.
Door windows will likely not work properly, AC dead, may as well change out the in-tank fuel pump before you are stranded, leaking engine seals, the list goes on.
If you have to visit the stealership after warranty, bring your own lube.
I've had later model cars of moderate to high mileage, finally got rid of the last one about a week ago.
In reply to pointofdeparture :
And once out of warrranty?
After all, 300K miles are being claimed.
RichardSIA said:Wait about five years and that $40K car will be around $8K or less, even with low mileage and never wrecked.
And once out of warrranty?
After all, 300K miles are being claimed.
??????
For what it's worth, both cars in the screenshot I shared are out of warranty due to age. But just for funsies, I'll play this game.
These are the highest mileage Hondas made within the last decade currently for sale on Cars.com nationwide:
The '16 in this image would have had a $22,040 MSRP. With 60k a year added to the clock it has depreciated at a rate of about 10% per year to reach its current sale price.
If you want to call that one an outlier, we'll go with the '12 at the bottom. This one would have listed at $18,805 MSRP. Doing just over 30k miles a year, this one lost about 7% of its value every year.
TL;DR: Honda makes pretty good cars that hold their value and will absolutely do 300k with regular maintenance. I had an Accord Wagon with north of 200k for a while back in Wisconsin. It was rusted to E36 M3 from the salt, but ran and drove great, AC worked, interior still looked nice, etc.
In reply to RichardSIA :
Sounds like you're using a lot of assumptions and hyperbole.
I'll get off your lawn so as not to distract you from yelling at the clouds.
Richard's stance is well known. No sense in arguing
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