singleslammer
singleslammer SuperDork
10/22/14 11:43 a.m.

http://stlouis.craigslist.org/cto/4708406255.html

These have always been interesting to me but I haven't actually driven one. Seems like you could throw some CTS-V take offs on it and have a pretty sweet car.

belteshazzar
belteshazzar UberDork
10/22/14 12:05 p.m.

on one hand, the 54 degree V6 is terrible. on the other hand, the transmission is a Getrag 260 (bmw e30?), which doesn't mean anything but I think it's a fun fact.

singleslammer
singleslammer SuperDork
10/22/14 12:47 p.m.

OOhh, I was under the impression that it had the newer 60 degree motor used in many applications. Didn't realize that it had the same POS used in the Catera. That pretty much settles it.

06HHR
06HHR Reader
10/22/14 1:36 p.m.

Wiki says the 54 degree POS was out after the 2004 model year. It was redesigned after the Catera fiasco, so it shouldn't explode in a ball of fire, but it's probably wise to back away..

06HHR
06HHR Reader
10/22/14 2:04 p.m.
singleslammer wrote: http://stlouis.craigslist.org/cto/4708406255.html These have always been interesting to me but I haven't actually driven one. Seems like you could throw some CTS-V take-offs on it and have a pretty sweet car.

BTW CTS-V take-off's wont fit without adapters, the early CTS V's have 6 lug nut pattern and the late cars have the Corvette/Camaro 5 lug pattern. The early base car has that oddball 5 x 115 pattern the front drive GM's sport. On the bright side, Mustang take offs will fit perfectly!

The_Jed
The_Jed UltraDork
10/25/14 12:03 a.m.

The difference in diameter is only .7mm which is .0275". Each stud would only flex inward by .01375" or about the thickness of 4.5 sheets of notebook paper.

I'm sure that is well within the elastic modulus of a wheel stud. Manufacturing tolerances of hubs, wheels, etc. most likely bend them beyond that when fitting an o.e. wheel, hence the conical seat lug nut.

Kenny_McCormic
Kenny_McCormic PowerDork
10/27/14 3:02 a.m.

In reply to The_Jed:

That's more of a shear load once torqued down. As I like to say, you put bolts in shear, people die. Wobble nuts aren't that expensive.

Petrolburner
Petrolburner Reader
10/27/14 12:37 p.m.

Looks like a lot of car for the money. However, the list of small things that are wrong with the car at the end of the ad make me wonder if it's starting to fall apart at the seams?

Nick_Comstock
Nick_Comstock PowerDork
10/27/14 1:57 p.m.

In reply to iadr:

I never had any issues at all with the mustang bullit wheels on my GP. Never vibrated, never a broken stud, no issues whatsoever.

06HHR
06HHR Reader
10/27/14 2:05 p.m.
Nick_Comstock wrote: In reply to iadr: I never had any issues at all with the mustang bullit wheels on my GP. Never vibrated, never a broken stud, no issues whatsoever.

In the mid and full size FWD GM community, it really is a common modification. In theory, iadr is probably right and no good will come of it. However, in practice, the hub bore size is pretty much identical (67.3 IIRC) and the bolt circle difference is pretty negligible. In fact, if the hubs have been replaced due to wear I suspect the bolt circle on aftermarket replacement hubs is actually 5 x 114.3 instead of 5 x 115 because the wheels fit so well.

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