It certainly looks great, I had no idea they had the nice changes for 2016.
The depreciation is staggering, like a tuna sandwich outside in July.
It certainly looks great, I had no idea they had the nice changes for 2016.
The depreciation is staggering, like a tuna sandwich outside in July.
Dang... that 250R is sweet!
fasted58 said:On CarGurus I'm seeing $20-30K, '14 to '16 w/ varying mileage.
2016 knocked 1.5 second from 0-60, and was $10,000 less than the other years.
All that new oomph knocks a full 1.5 seconds off the ELR's 0-60 time, now accomplished in 6.4 seconds according to Cadillac. For reference, our pals over at CAR and DRIVER measured a best 0-60 of 8.1 seconds in a 2014 ELR with both electric and gas powerplants fully engaged.
The focus on improved performance also extends to the chassis. On the base model, stiffer springs and bushings and recalibrated steering and braking combine for better feel. The ELR now rides on 20-inch wheels and 245/40 rubber, with an optional Performance package adding in ZR-rated summer-only tires, upgraded Brembo brakes (13.6-inch rotors up front, 12.4 in the rear), sportier suspension calibration, and a thicker steering wheel.
Caddy says battery software upgrades for 2016 help in power and acceleration, and increase battery range in the base model ELR. The lithium-ion battery itself grows too, to 17.1 kWh, up from 16.5 in the current model. Pure electric driving range is now rated at 39 miles, up two miles from the current vehicle—though that drops to 35 if equipped with the optional Performance Package and its summer-only 20-inch tires. With a full tank of gas, Caddy estimates driving range at 330 miles—perplexingly, a decrease of 10 miles from the cruising range of the current model.
Inside, the 2016 ELR gets GM's highest-zoot technology packages as standard equipment. That means OnStar with in-car 4G LTE WiFi, wireless charging for your cellphone (if your phone's compatible—few are), and the formerly-optional Driver Assistance package, with blind spot monitoring, rear cross traffic alert, lane change alert, and adaptive Intellibeam headlights.
Perhaps the most important improvement to the ELR is the bottom line. Cadillac says that, after federal tax rebates, you'll be out the door in a new 2016 ELR for just $58,495. In other words, the sticker price is $65,995, down a full $10,000 from the 2014 model.
Ether59 (Forum Supporter) said:
Dang... that 250R is sweet!
Thanks, she's a keeper. 1986 with just a couple of mods. My friend has a collection of Honda ATCs as well and we like to get out and rip around on the trails and Forest Service roads.
Untitled by Petrolburner, on Flickr
Never heard of an ELR. So, it's a Caddy Volt? Interesting. Looks like a nice car.
T.J. said:Never heard of an ELR. So, it's a Caddy Volt? Interesting. Looks like a nice car.
Volt running gear, Caddy styling, and it's also a 2-door instead of a 4-door like the Volt.
I didn't know these are a thing. Kind of like a two door Volt?
Is it the modern Cadillac Cimarron or is it better than the Volt?
Brett_Murphy (Forum Patrón) said:I didn't know these are a thing. Kind of like a two door Volt?
Is it the modern Cadillac Cimarron or is it better than the Volt?
Does it look better than the Volt? Is the interior in a whole other league than the Volt? Does it have significantly more power and performance than the Volt? Does it have a long list of awesome features unavailable to the Volt? Yes.
To me the Volt is a great appliance and priced really well especially in the used market. But for all the reasons above and for all the reasons in my first post, it wasn't what I wanted. My girlfriend however is really interested in one now and I fully support her in pursuing one.
My favorite oversimplification is that the ELR is just an overpriced Volt. I've been thinking of how best to respond to that. So far I've come up with, "Is the BMW 7 series just an overpriced 3 series? Is the M5 just an overpriced 5 series? Or, do features, looks and performance matter?"
I loved our Volt
Cars like this are teaching me not to fear the electrons! I should have known better, I've seen a couple of Formula E races at work (my company owns three Fox affiliates), and I liked it. Sounds like my old RC cars.
Neat car that I didn't know existed! Keep us updated.
Certainly it is more than a Volt, but the 233hp and 4,000lbs can't be a sporty as the 345hp 3300lb corvette either, but when is enough enough?
Petrolburner said:I think my username is still safe as long as I have 9 motorcycles, 4 ATCs and I fly an airplane that burns 90 gallons per hour for a living. Oh and the ELR burns gas in sport mode when you floor it.
Does it burn 385 gallons per minute in military power as well?
nimblemotorsports said:Certainly it is more than a Volt, but the 233hp and 4,000lbs can't be a sporty as the 345hp 3300lb corvette either, but when is enough enough?
No it certainly isn't as sporty. Life is full of compromises. Picture a Venn diagram with ten circles. Some cars are heavily skewed towards looks, performance, economy, utility etc. I felt this would have scored the highest if I weighted all the factors that I was interested according to my own personal scale.
In reply to DirtyBird222 :
Untitled by Petrolburner, on Flickr
More like 135 gallons per hour on takeoff.
Petrolburner said:Ether59 (Forum Supporter) said:
Dang... that 250R is sweet!
Thanks, she's a keeper. 1986 with just a couple of mods. My friend has a collection of Honda ATCs as well and we like to get out and rip around on the trails and Forest Service roads.
I had a 200SX! It was so sweet, I wasn't even jealous at all of a 250R! No sir, not one bit!
<snivels>... (kicks rock)
Edit: Wait wait wait... what's with the Town Car towing the trailer? Hello, air shocks! 
Petrolburner said:Brett_Murphy (Forum Patrón) said:I didn't know these are a thing. Kind of like a two door Volt?
Is it the modern Cadillac Cimarron or is it better than the Volt?Does it look better than the Volt? Is the interior in a whole other league than the Volt? Does it have significantly more power and performance than the Volt? Does it have a long list of awesome features unavailable to the Volt? Yes.
To me the Volt is a great appliance and priced really well especially in the used market. But for all the reasons above and for all the reasons in my first post, it wasn't what I wanted. My girlfriend however is really interested in one now and I fully support her in pursuing one.
My favorite oversimplification is that the ELR is just an overpriced Volt. I've been thinking of how best to respond to that. So far I've come up with, "Is the BMW 7 series just an overpriced 3 series? Is the M5 just an overpriced 5 series? Or, do features, looks and performance matter?"
Roger Smith & Co. sure did a lot of damage to the brand by not saying no to that one. That and the severely watered down Corvettes of the time will leave owners stigmatized forever.
Petrolburner said:In reply to DirtyBird222 :
More like 135 gallons per hour on takeoff.
Ah still cool!
Are you going to change your avatar pics?
Does your king air have the Raisbeck 4 blade propeller stc? They are a nice honest flying airplane.
Damn nice car too.
Add me to the list of people who had no idea these existed. Wow.
As a former Volt lessee and superfanboi I've always had a thing for these as well. There must have been some major local incentive, because back in the day I used to see several of them around town pretty regularly. I've heard the occasional horror tory, but overall the Volt drivetrain seems to be holding up fairly well. Interested to see how it grows on you.
Congrats! The Volt and ELR have always frustrated me. I like them both. I almost bought a Volt but went with a GS450h for the same money instead (not as efficient but far faster and more luxurious, felt more special). I haven't bought a Volt yet because when they were 3 yo coming off leases they were 15k and now they're what, 8 years old with vastly more miles and going for... 15k?! That deal seems to get worse every year! In comparison the ELR is slowly going from utterly stupidly priced to seeming like a good value compared to a Volt which isn't depreciating as much as it should! I've driven both and while i liked the Volt almost enough to buy one, the ELR I liked much more and disliked the value quotient much more as well. I think the ELR is actually the best executed Cadillac design of that era. The contemporary CTS is 'prettier' but it falls apart for me once i get inside it, and I've tried literally every combo they have from 3.0,3.6, manual, auto, all the way up to the CTS-V Wagon with a 6spd. I like being inside the ELR a ton more. If the price/value issue makes enough sense to you then as far as im concerned the rest of it is great. Glad someone else here thinks highly of the design.
There must have been some major local incentive, because back in the day I used to see several of them around town pretty regularly.
Have you considered the fact of...Florida demographics? 
I bet XLRs were more common there too.
Ether59 (Forum Supporter) said:
Dang... that 250R is sweet!
I came here to say this. Nice car too!
Shadeux (Forum Supporter) said:Petrolburner said:Ether59 (Forum Supporter) said:
Dang... that 250R is sweet!
Thanks, she's a keeper. 1986 with just a couple of mods. My friend has a collection of Honda ATCs as well and we like to get out and rip around on the trails and Forest Service roads.
I had a 200SX! It was so sweet, I wasn't even jealous at all of a 250R! No sir, not one bit!
<snivels>... (kicks rock)
Edit: Wait wait wait... what's with the Town Car towing the trailer? Hello, air shocks!
Yeah dude air ride is so cool. Hook the trailer up, it squats down, air compressor kicks on and it goes right back up to normal ride height. The trailer brake controller is hidden in the ash tray.
pilotbraden said:Does your king air have the Raisbeck 4 blade propeller stc? They are a nice honest flying airplane.
Damn nice car too.
No, it's a 2007 King Air 200GT with -52 engines so it had 4 blade props from the factory. I plan on 300 knots true airspeed for cross country travel. While fighting fire with it I plan on 6 hours of fuel from 3600 pounds on board.
You'll need to log in to post.
