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Tim Suddard
Tim Suddard Publisher
4/6/22 10:55 a.m.

The debate’s been going on inside my head for a while. Modern performance cars have gotten really good, so do I just buy one–a Porsche GT3, BMW M4, Shelby Mustang or the like–or should I do it the Grassroots Motorsports way and buy a lesser car, fix it up and modify it?

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David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
4/6/22 3:10 p.m.
Noddaz
Noddaz UberDork
6/2/22 9:06 a.m.

Or not...

kb58
kb58 SuperDork
6/2/22 10:21 a.m.

Haha, the picture above is the obvious answer, "Both!"

David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
6/2/22 10:24 a.m.

In reply to kb58 :

Exactly. 

I know that my 911 can get rolled in a minivan, but I do love the experience. Just the sound of the doors closing....

ClearWaterMS
ClearWaterMS Reader
6/2/22 10:24 a.m.
Noddaz said:

Or not...

$30k 911 project, non-runner engine and transmission included but unknown condition, firm on price "I KNOW WHAT I GOT"

please note, I started joking that this was a $20k craigslist but raised it to $30k because somebody might actually pay $20k for a 911 like this given the market of those right now.  

kb58
kb58 SuperDork
6/2/22 10:34 a.m.
David S. Wallens said:

In reply to kb58 :

Exactly. 

I know that my 911 can get rolled in a minivan, but I do love the experience. Just the sound of the doors closing....

Closing? Let's not get too carried away here. Pretty sure once that door is opened, it's staying that way!

David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
6/2/22 11:38 a.m.

In reply to kb58 :

I mean, like, the click/clunk that the doors make when you close them. 

paddygarcia
paddygarcia Reader
6/2/22 12:09 p.m.

As my daughter put it in HS, like closing the door on the freakin' space shuttle.

sir_mike
sir_mike Reader
6/2/22 12:11 p.m.

No not for me...sorry

David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
6/2/22 12:43 p.m.

In reply to paddygarcia :

Several years ago, I gave a ride in my 911 to someone in the industry. He got in and closed the door. And then he opened the door so he could hear it close again. 

docwyte
docwyte PowerDork
6/2/22 1:56 p.m.

I regret not buying more 911's when I had the chance.  About 3-4 years ago I had a chance to buy a blue/green 964 C2 and 2 years ago an arena red 993 C4S.  I should've bought them both as the 964 is worth 2.5-3X what I would've paid and the C4S 2X.  So I could've had them to enjoy this entire time while being in the black on both.  Now I can't afford either of them.

Flyman615
Flyman615 New Reader
6/2/22 5:03 p.m.

This is what it's supposed to look like. Just had my 1973.5 911T Targa out for a drive on a nice, albeit cloudy, spring day. I've had it for over 23 years.

Noddaz
Noddaz UberDork
6/2/22 8:57 p.m.

In reply to Flyman615 :

Good for you!  Cars like that need to be driven.  And you have a good looking Targa there.

David S. Wallens
David S. Wallens Editorial Director
6/2/22 9:01 p.m.

In reply to Flyman615 :

Wow, that color. What is it called? 

JimS
JimS Reader
6/3/22 1:14 a.m.

The answer is yes. My base 991 is pure bliss. Would like a gt3 touring but the base car is all I need. 

Automobilist
Automobilist New Reader
6/3/22 2:33 p.m.

I'm on my third 911.  Bought the first (a 1988) when I was 35.  I'm 64 now, and absolutely love my base 991.  No other car approaches the combination of style, effortless speed, crisp handling, comfort and reliability.  Just a superb overall car. 

There are a lot of Porsche variants, but there is nothing as sweet to live with as a 911.

buzzboy
buzzboy SuperDork
6/3/22 4:58 p.m.

I drove my first 911 last week, 1983 SC. By no means fast compared to even my E36 let alone a modern minivan. But it felt solid. Almost as solid as my S-Class. Planted. Crisp. I get it.

350z247
350z247 Reader
6/5/22 9:45 p.m.

Congratulations on a wonderful car, especially at a wonderful price, but I always find myself irked by Porsche's insistence on keeping the car rear engined. If given the option of identical base 911 or Cayman S, I'm going Cayman S every time.

dps214
dps214 Dork
6/5/22 11:05 p.m.

I mean it's the defining feature of the car... Though at this point with the 992 they've ruined enough other things that I wouldn't put it past them to move the engine in the next generation.

JimS
JimS Reader
6/5/22 11:13 p.m.

In reply to Automobilist :

That looks just like my base 2013 991. My headlight washers are white and not chrome and I have the pasm front spoiler but the rest is the same. 

350z247
350z247 Reader
6/6/22 7:12 a.m.

In reply to dps214 :

Defining feature or not, it's the wrong location for an engine. The mid-engined IMSA GT3 RSR is proof enough they know this. They have done an incredible job engineering around this, but imagine how much better it would be if they put the engine in the middle where it should have been 20 years ago, especially on the GT3s.

yupididit
yupididit PowerDork
6/6/22 7:15 a.m.

The GRM way is a base 997 these days lol. I want one.

dps214
dps214 Dork
6/6/22 8:43 a.m.

In reply to 350z247 :

Maybe, but if they really only cared about performance it would basically be a lotus Elise clone, not a giant luxury sports coupe. The point being obviously there's other considerations in the design than outright performance.

I'm not necessarily saying that mid engine isn't better, but a big factor in the rsr engine relocation was the fact that hanging the engine off the back didn't allow them to take full advantage of the diffuser allowances.

AnthonyGS (Forum Supporter)
AnthonyGS (Forum Supporter) UltraDork
6/6/22 10:39 p.m.

I'm undecided until someone gives me a 997 or 991 to rallycross.  But yes if you had to have just one car....  a 911 is a great way to do it.

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