Is this genius or GTFO?

In reply to GameboyRMH :

You kidding? Brake the inside front, power the outside front, and slide for days.  

In reply to Knurled. :

What if you could power forward the outside and reverse power the inside? Mega rotation. 

Yeah using torque vectoring could give the driver an easy way to initiate a drift, maybe with a "massive torque bias" pedal that acts based on steering input similar to the McLaren F1 "extra pedal."

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In reply to Knurled. :

What if you could power forward the outside and reverse power the inside? Mega rotation. 

Thats kind of what I meant.

I'm kind of a curmudgeon, and an old man yells at clouds kind of person, and while I do appreciate what technology can do for us, I also don't like what people do that seems to be so... uninspiring and artless.  Like the modern form of "drifting" (fingerquotes) that is just doing burnouts around a corner, requiring lots of power and tire smoke.

I like the old days, when people would drift 150hp E36 M3boxes by shifting weight around, playing the chassis like a musical instrument.  Never any tire smoke.

I have never quite been able to wrap my head around the "drifting" phenomenon. It's cool in its own way, but I cannot fathom deciding to throw my time and money at that of all things.

I do remember making big, smelly clouds of tire smoke for some teenage girls once, when I was much younger. The rear brake job that resulted is just about all I'm willing to throw at "tire smoke for the sake of tire smoke" in this lifetime.

In reply to b13990 :

What I consider "real" drifting generally never has tire smoke.  You use momentum and weight transfer to dance the car around.  Kind of like driving on gravel, except the goal is being sideways instead of being fast.

Knurled. said:

In reply to b13990 :

What I consider "real" drifting generally never has tire smoke.  You use momentum and weight transfer to dance the car around.  Kind of like driving on gravel, except the goal is being sideways instead of being fast.

You sir, have went up considerably in the respect book around here. I can't tell you how many morons I've tried to educate about this over the years. They don't get it, and won't get it, until they actually do like I've done, and go to japan, watch the Japanese drift 100hp miatas, and then compare it to the disaster in the USA. 
there's a reason we get watered down cars here from japan. They knew we would screw them up, juuust like we did to drifting. 
 

knurled, it is fantastic that you understand this difference. 

Vigo said:

That is a slightly improved Phantom Grip. In something like a naturally aspirated Miata a 'slightly better phantom grip' wouldn't be AS useless as it is in a FWD car, but the big problem i see here is that at that price it competes against ACTUAL lsd's. 

 

The pin thing does work, though. In a differential it's actually the differential pin that transfers force to the side gears to propel the axleshafts. This is the same way a 'lunchbox locker' works. 

VWMS sold something like this for the 020 trans along with the 6th gear. I had one in my Bertils engined GTI and it was amazing compared to stock.

In reply to chandler :

I think if you look across the whole FWD world and their experiences with Phantom Grips, the opinions mostly correlate with torque level. For example, im most familiar with FWD dodges. Neon people weren't 100% sour on PGs. They had ~130lb ft. Older turbo FWD dodges (kcar derivatives) were universally sour on it. They made 180lbft stock and 240-300 with a boost controller on stock parts.