cmcgregor said:How much of this is self-fulfilling prophecy? Yeah, the first ND1 is all the way down in 17th, but there are also only 2 of them entered, compared with 25 people driving ND2s. It seems likely that it is in fact faster, but this is also hardly a head to head comparison.
That's a good point. How many National-level drivers picked up a '19 as soon as they were available?
So this means nd1s will start tanking in value and I'll be able to pick one up this winter for $3k?
Maybe?
kazoospec said:If only there were a sports car/racing mag that could do a head to head comparison.
You know, something like this GRM settles the great FRS/BRZ SSC controversy for all time
Or you could just ask Andy Hollis who has run both on autox and road courses.
Seriously, though. They're the same car, but one has an engine that runs out of breath at 6000 and the other pulls up to 7200 or whatever. It's not like it's going to be rocket science to draw a conclusion. Here's your article in a picture.
In reply to Keith Tanner :
But but but look at the nd1's huge torque advantage down low in the rev range - Horsepower sells cars but TORQUE wins races!
/Sarcasm
Yeah it's not moving. Street classes develop over time, that's how it has to work or else we'd have to be adding a new class every three years as new models are released. If you want stability, go to ES or st classes. But for the rest of the street classes the "best" car usually changes every 3-5 years.
Edit: CS has been running BS times since before the nd2 was classed, pretty sure the pax values have been within .01 or .02 for a couple of years now. And pax is pretty useless at Nationals itself for that matter.
z31maniac said:cmcgregor said:How much of this is self-fulfilling prophecy? Yeah, the first ND1 is all the way down in 17th, but there are also only 2 of them entered, compared with 25 people driving ND2s. It seems likely that it is in fact faster, but this is also hardly a head to head comparison.
That's a good point. How many National-level drivers picked up a '19 as soon as they were available?
I'd say at least 8 of them, but I'm too lazy to look up the results from last year and compare names to cars and see who switched.
Reminds me of how my friend Scott says that Street is the most expensive class to run in. If you have an uncompetitive car, unlike Street Touring and up, you can't do much in the way of mods to crutch it into being more competitive, your only option is to get a different car. And then in most Street classes the "it" car changes every 2 or 3 years, whereas a lot of the Mod and Prepared cars stay basically the same for years and yearz
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