Le Mans

I just noticed those are Qualifying times. They'll use fastest race laps for this.

And I thought we had the WWE of racing here in the US. This is just nuts.

I did not know that there was a speed restriction on the lower class cars. That is stupid.

dean1484 wrote: And I thought we had the WWE of racing here I the US. This is just nuts. I did not know that there was a speed restriction on the lower class cars. That is stupid.

Politics in these things have happened for forever.....heck, Ferrari managed to get a race canceled in Italy so they wouldn't have to be smacked sideways by a chicken farmer....

I also just found out that I DVR'd a few hours of golf instead of the race. Sigh.

At the end of the race, if the Fords were that much faster than the Ferraris- they would have finished first and second on track. Given that the Fords were barely a second faster than the Ferrari, yea, not much of a protest- as I would think.

Both teams were sandbagging it, if they were.

BTW, if you go by fastest laps to the- both the Ferrari and the GT violate the 7% rule, depending on what car you choose. Or neither do, depending on the car. So...

mikeatrpi wrote: I also just found out that I DVR'd a few hours of golf instead of the race. Sigh.

Same here. FS1 can eat a bag of E36 M3.

Speedvision was the E36 M3 for auto racing. FS1 are donkeys.

Makes me ok with not having cable to hear that the things I can't watch either are not on or the coverage sucked anyway.

The radio LeMans stream plus the Ford and Porsche in car streams were good enough for the most part. I only missed not ever really seeing the some of the cars and the victory lane celebration.

In reply to T.J.:

Bingo.

Yeah I got to see only 2 hours of the 24 hours because for some reason the broadcast schedule wasn't what I pulled up online for FS. Just stupid to put a broadcast schedule up that isn't correct. so I just got golf, wrestling, and some infomercials.

I wanted to see the end which was quite an ending apparently.

Vettel's reaction to Le Mans endinghttps://mobile.twitter.com/MrAlexF1/status/744550270017900544/video/1

racerfink wrote: Vettel's reaction to Le Mans endinghttps://mobile.twitter.com/MrAlexF1/status/744550270017900544/video/1

bwahahahahahaha

So glad that I double checked my taping this weekend, I missed some of the coverage, but watch a majority of it.

So where is the news/info on the 107% issue? Racer and Aututosport (The two sources I trust most) are just talking about the speeding and the indicator light penalties for the first two cars, still leaving them one two. Right now it looks like the official results are still Ford, Ferrari, Ford, Ford. where are people seeing the other info.

Again, being a Ford employee I'm over the moon we won. Also being a Porsche fan I love that they have notched up overall win #18, but I'm still gutted for Toyota, they deserved this one, but that's racing and it's not over until the obese lady warbles and all that.

Glad that their's some great fighting in GTE as well. I think we can honestly say we're in latest golden age of sports car racing since the late 80's and it's fighting F1 as the crown of Motorsport right now.

I've just seen that the #5 Toyota is effectively excluded and shown in 45th place even though it covered 384 laps so should still be in 2nd place. That just doesn't seem fair. The actual 2nd place Toyota has 381 laps and the 3rd place Porsche just 372. That's rubbing salt in the wounds. It should be Porsche 1st and Toyota 2nd and 3rd. That's hard hard luck.

In reply to Adrian_Thompson:

Pretty sure they made that rule or whatever specifically due to the Toyota being able to make a lap on all electric power.

In reply to Adrian_Thompson:

They should have stopped before the start/finish line until they KNEW they could complete a lap. Then they would have finished 2nd, one lap down.

The issue was known well before they came to the start line- letting the car define the failure mode like that was not smart. Terrible that they lost the race with one lap left, but they should have had an idea how serious it was- stopped before where they let the car stop- as I see it.

Would be the first time a race was finished by waiting at the line until the last moment.

For all those who got pooched by Fox Sports, you can probably still get the $10 streaming pass for the race and watch the whole thing as well as highlights. I was reviewing parts of the race yesterday, right after we finished watching F1 on Channel 4. By the way - did anyone else try to catch both races live? The F1 race started at the exact moment the Le Mans clock hit 24h, which meant that all the cars were just starting their final lap. Thanks for that, Bernie. Hate to tell you, but Le Mans gets priority.

The #5 Toyota is basically a DNF. You need to cross the finish line after the 24h mark in order to be a finisher - that's a fairly fundamental rule. It's possible it did not do so, in which case it's classed behind all the actual finishers regardless of how many laps it covered.

Hell of a finish. I've been involved in a 25 hour race that came down to the wire. A lap shorter or a lap longer would have had quite an effect there.

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In reply to Adrian_Thompson:

As for the protests- here are two resolutions- http://sportscar365.com/lemans/wec/gte-pro-race-winning-ford-gt-penalized-post-race/

But the sum of all the penalties do not change the final order.

As for the "7% rule"- I can't even find it- but if it's about the fastest lap- both the Ferrari and Ford violate it- assuming that it's 93% of the fastest lap- they would both be faster than most of the P2 field.

In reply to Keith Tanner:

I watched both live- actually, the F1 race was a little late- they went off on the formation lap just as the Porsche ended the race. So I got to see both.

Streaming FS1 and the Ford live stream, and watch the F1 race on NBCSN.

Toyota should have done a Dan Gurney

alfadriver wrote: In reply to Keith Tanner: I watched both live- actually, the F1 race was a little late- they went off on the formation lap just as the Porsche ended the race. So I got to see both. Streaming FS1 and the Ford live stream, and watch the F1 race on NBCSN.

There was too much going on at Le Mans for me to do much more than glance at the F1 race TV and say "huh, there they go". So maybe it wasn't the EXACT moment, but they sure overlapped.

In reply to Keith Tanner:

Maybe my NBCSN was delayed that long. But it was pretty easy to see the finish then the start. And given the track, the start could have been a disaster. Somehow it wasn't.

In reply to racerfink:

Fastest race lap for the LMP2s was 03:36.3 (216.3 seconds) by the Manor Oreca. Fastest race lap for GET Pro was 03:51.5 (231.5 seconds) by the Ganassi Ford GT. That's 107.02% slower, meeting the rules.

Interestingly, the P2 fastest race lap was 107.39% of the fastest P1 lap. Looks like the ACO was actually using some science in their rules set and its 107% target.