I just had to ask because this popped up on craigslist...
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sgv/cto/3050334465.html
I know these Cobras aren't as capable as their 03/04 counterparts so I have to ask, are they worth the extra money over a regular GT?
I just had to ask because this popped up on craigslist...
http://losangeles.craigslist.org/sgv/cto/3050334465.html
I know these Cobras aren't as capable as their 03/04 counterparts so I have to ask, are they worth the extra money over a regular GT?
Well, they have a 320 NA 4valve DOHC engine with the IRS.
That is vs the 260hp the 2valve SOHC in the GT had with the solid rear.
The cobra also has better brakes. (13inch PBR setup)
IRS vs solid rear. Stock for stock, the IRS is a bit better, but it weighs about 50lbs more. Aftermarket solutions make the solid rear a better performer, but co$t.
On top of that you have some awesome seats, whiteface gauges, different suspension settings (better).
I would say worth it. 260->320hp is a good difference.
(I have a 97, same motor, but non-PI (performance improved) heads with a different intake, also a solid rear on mine)
Thanks for the quick response. Is the one posted earlier priced correctly?
The problem with the 99 and 01-02 Cobra's is the 03-04 Mach 1. Same engine, better body, same interior and brakes, and the Mach kept the solid rear axle. For $11K I'd run to the nearest 04 GTO, for $10K I'd go Mach shopping. That's an ~$8500 car around here.
Javelin wrote: The problem with the 99 and 01-02 Cobra's is the 03-04 Mach 1. Same engine, better body, same interior and brakes, and the Mach kept the solid rear axle. For $11K I'd run to the nearest 04 GTO, for $10K I'd go Mach shopping. That's an ~$8500 car around here.
Yeah, I agree. The IRS tempts a lot of people, but it's been shown over and over again that solid axle cars are faster at the drag strip, and even for autocrossing. Ford had to make a lot of compromises to stuff an IRS in a location designed for a solid axle.
The Mach also had a cooler interior, in my opinion. Only down side to the Mach is that it's only a 5-speed, not a 6-speed.
The only SN95 that really tempts me is the Mach. Especially a blue or yellow one.
I'm not up on pricing, I bought mine 10 years ago (Jeeze, has it been THAT long?!?!)
I do have to agree that the Mach is probably the better option. The Mach makes better mid-range power if reports are true.
IRS vs Solid? Only time I take IRS is for a bumpy course. Take a solid with aftermarket goodies over the IRS any time.
Will, the 2001 Cobra has a Tremec 3650 5-speed with IIRC is the same trans in the MACH. The 6-speed was either with the 2000 cobra R ($$$$$) or the 03 "Terminator" blower cars.
There may be a tradeoff performance vs fuel economy between the Mach and Cobra, the Cobra has 3.27 gears and the Mach has 3.55's. 3.55's would be better performers at the cost of some highway MPG.
Oh yeah, they require premium gas and I would expect about 20mpg
Apexcarver wrote: Will, the 2001 Cobra has a Tremec 3650 5-speed with IIRC is the same trans in the MACH. The 6-speed was either with the 2000 cobra R ($$$$$) or the 03 "Terminator" blower cars.
Gah. The older I get, the more I used to know.
Will wrote: Gah. The older I get, the more I used to know.
Threw me for a second and I had to double check, dont feel bad.
Weren't they also horrendously overrated from the factory?
rotard wrote: Weren't they also horrendously overrated from the factory?
The 99s were so bad that Ford didn't make a 2000 Cobra. I believe they remedied that for the 01, though.
Noteworthy that the 99's were brought back for some work to meet power. Mostly intake work, etc.
Javelin wrote: That's an ~$8500 car around here.
Holy crap, I think I need to move out of California. I was under the impression this 11k example was "cheap" and in California, it may be. I looked at some GT's a while back and I found that the decent (and by decent I really do mean just decent) ones were priced around 8k. Nice examples out here almost don't exist.
I've been looking for a GTO for the longest time, a couple good ones pop up here and there but I just can't seem to sell my current car quickly enough.
On another note, do you guys think I'll be able to get a TermiCobra for under 12k if I'm willing to drive a bit?
vincephan wrote:Javelin wrote: That's an ~$8500 car around here.On another note, do you guys think I'll be able to get a TermiCobra for under 12k if I'm willing to drive a bit?
Probably not. I think $15k would be the low end.
I guess GTO it is... The only thing that throws me is the fact that a Mustang will be the better handler once some mods are thrown into the equation.
I think I'm gonna try to find some Mach 1's as well.
The rigidity of the chassis is rivaled only by moist balsa wood.
vincephan wrote:Javelin wrote: That's an ~$8500 car around here.Holy crap, I think I need to move out of California. I was under the impression this 11k example was "cheap" and in California, it may be. I looked at some GT's a while back and I found that the decent (and by decent I really do mean just decent) ones were priced around 8k. Nice examples out here almost don't exist. I've been looking for a GTO for the longest time, a couple good ones pop up here and there but I just can't seem to sell my current car quickly enough. On another note, do you guys think I'll be able to get a TermiCobra for under 12k if I'm willing to drive a bit?
Well, don't come to Michigan, because there's no way that's an $8500 car here, either. You'd be hard-pressed to find a good 96-98 Cobra for that money, actually. Not that they don't exist, but a lot of them are riced out or have really high miles. I've been looking.
vincephan wrote: I guess GTO it is... The only thing that throws me is the fact that a Mustang will be the better handler once some mods are thrown into the equation. I think I'm gonna try to find some Mach 1's as well.
I was initially looking for a GT and found that will a little digging Mach 1s could be had for similar money. We bought our mint 03 azure blue mach 1, with 48k miles, for 10,500. That was right at 3 years ago. You could find them for even less with more miles. We looked at GTOs too, but at the time they were bringing more than the Mach....not sure about now.
rotard wrote:vincephan wrote:Probably not. I think $15k would be the low end.Javelin wrote: That's an ~$8500 car around here.On another note, do you guys think I'll be able to get a TermiCobra for under 12k if I'm willing to drive a bit?
My uncle sold his last year in the $23k range.
'03 with 40k miles but with a Bassani exhaust/underdrive pulley and some high dollar Kenny Brown suspension setup or something.
It was his track toy for years.
vincephan wrote: On another note, do you guys think I'll be able to get a TermiCobra for under 12k if I'm willing to drive a bit?
The low mileage cars will bring more and different areas bring more, but it's an $8-$11K car. The problem with $11K for this car (other than the aforementioned Mach 1), is that the 05-09 GT Mustang is a better car in nearly every way, newer, and sits at around that price point as well. So if you have $11K and want a V8 Mustang, do you buy a 10 year old one or a 5 year old one that's faster and has the new hotness body for just a little more? As for the TermiCobra, no, $12K won't happen unless we are talking salvage car or something like that. They are more in the $15-$20K range.
Have you considered a C5?
rotard wrote: Have you considered a C5?
No E36 M3. Early C5's are in the same price range..... Couple weeks ago, I saw an 98 or 99 for 12k with 75k on it.
92CelicaHalfTrac wrote: So.... no $8500 01-02 Cobras?
There was never an 02 Cobra. 93-99, 01, 03-04, only in the US.
As to the "underrated HP", PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFTTT. Dogs, like Flash from the Dukes of Hazzard fast, until you are turning some RPM. The biggest thing you can do, and what the factory should have done in the first place, is put in some 4.10-4.56 rear gears. Same MPG, more RPM, and way more fun to drive.
Ranger50 wrote:92CelicaHalfTrac wrote: So.... no $8500 01-02 Cobras?There was never an 02 Cobra. 93-99, 01, 03-04, only in the US. As to the "underrated HP", PFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFTTT. Dogs, like Flash from the Dukes of Hazzard fast, until you are turning some RPM. The biggest thing you can do, and what the factory should have done in the first place, is put in some 4.10-4.56 rear gears. Same MPG, more RPM, and way more fun to drive.
I saw that Cobra motor on a dyno somewhere in Detroit - still remember the engineer "That motor has never made the hp on the sticker"
In reply to tuna55:
So it really made less???? 
Those motors never made the TORQUE which soured the 4v's in the community. The 2v was worse. The old 5.0 had 300 ft/lbs with a short 3" stroke crank way down low. That was/is/still is the gold standard.
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