fanfoy said:In reply to old_ :
Isn't that a police car issue from all the idling that they do?
Didn't hear of it happening on civilian cars/SUV's.
I haven't heard of any PTU issues from extended idling (though it wouldn't surprise me), but we've replaced lots of turbos because of it.
Javelin said:How does one check the PTU?
On which vehicle?
90% of the time you cannot physically access the fill plug without removing things. Which is why nobody ever checks them, and they run dry.
bluescooby said:fanfoy said:In reply to old_ :
Isn't that a police car issue from all the idling that they do?
Didn't hear of it happening on civilian cars/SUV's.
I haven't heard of any PTU issues from extended idling (though it wouldn't surprise me), but we've replaced lots of turbos because of it.
Yeah, I've never heard of the PTU issue from idling, but turbos and oil consumption happen a lot because of it.
Knurled. said:Javelin said:How does one check the PTU?
On which vehicle?
90% of the time you cannot physically access the fill plug without removing things. Which is why nobody ever checks them, and they run dry.
Yeah, on my SHO I had to drop one of the cats to get to it. And I was lucky, mine had a drain plug (performance package), most of them don't.
Knurled. said:Javelin said:How does one check the PTU?
On which vehicle?
90% of the time you cannot physically access the fill plug without removing things. Which is why nobody ever checks them, and they run dry.
13-19 Flex
In reply to Javelin :
I believe it is accessible with a collection of extensions and swivels after you remove the passenger side wheel, on the non-EB models. EB transverses are kinda rare here.
Getting the plug back IN is the entertaining part!
Knurled. said:Getting the plug back IN is the entertaining part!
On the SHO (which should be similar to an EB Flex), I used the sensor hole to fill it. Which meant unscrewing the sensor with the wires still attached, then putting it back in, so I had to "prewind" the wires so they'd be in the correct orientation when it was tightened down. I couldn't detach it, at least not very easily, because the wires disappeared up into the harness somewhere that I couldn't find. If I was doing it again, I'd cut them then splice them back together once I had the plug in.
I actually HAVE a Flex on the schedule for tomorrow, I'll take picture of it if they show up. It's been about 30% no-shows lately.
What gets me are the ones like Dodge Journeys where there is a heat shield over the fill plug. So there is mandatory disassembly just to even check the fluid level.
(Meanwhile, Honda and most VW share the fluid with the transmission, so this whole issue is moot)
See it up there next to the rear cat?
Pulling back a bit.
BTW, every Edge I have ever worked on is in sad shape due to horrible neglect/indifference to mechanical problems, and this one is no exception. I have had cars with 3x the mileage and they were in better shape.
In reply to Knurled. :
Ewwww
Thanks for sharing. Maybe the dream of a high hp AWD family wagon is a pipe dream.
Javelin said:In reply to Knurled. :
Ewwww
Thanks for sharing. Maybe the dream of a high hp AWD family wagon is a pipe dream.
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Knurled. said:Javelin said:In reply to Knurled. :
Ewwww
Thanks for sharing. Maybe the dream of a high hp AWD family wagon is a pipe dream.
V70R.jpg
Cannot locate file "needstoseat6"
In reply to Javelin :
I thought they had rear seats. I know the XC70s did.
It is tongue in cheek anyway, I wouldn't want to haul kids in something with leather that fragile.
In reply to Knurled. :
The other car on my radar is an XC90.
In reply to Javelin :
Those had regular seats. The R models had this funky super thin/soft leather that reminds me of my stepdad's Barcalounger.
In reply to Knurled. :
Anything to watch it for on the XC90?
In reply to Knurled. :
I don't know what I'm supposed to see. What service were you doing and how bad was it? My want for EcoBoost Flex is strong.
In reply to Javelin :
The angle gear? 
EVERYTHING transverse has issues with them. Volvo has a bad rep because that is pretty much the only part of the drivetrain that has failures. (That and the bonehead move to not use dowels to locate the angle gear to the transmission, or have the splines connection dry and semi exposed to elements) That and the valve bodies in the transmissions, but that is everything with an Aisin-Warner automatic, not just Volvo. Volvos just last long enough for the problems to be known.
I looked at a 110k mile 2013 Ecoboost one. Looks nice, drives nice. Not as fast as expected. Still thinking of buying it.
AngryCorvair said:In reply to Knurled. :
I don't know what I'm supposed to see. What service were you doing and how bad was it? My want for EcoBoost Flex is strong.
That was just an answer to the question of where the check plug was.
Usual big SUV issues... brakes were badly in need of service or repair, front end was falling apart, bad wheel bearings, can't see the Christmas tree on the dashboard because of all of the pictures of their children plastered over them, interior full of garbage...
I wouldn't let potential PTU issues dissuade me from a Flex, especially at the right price. Yes, servicing them is a pain, but it's not impossible. And even if they go too long and need to be replaced, Ford sold a zillion cars with this drivetrain, so finding parts shouldn't be difficult.
Every car has it's Achilles Heels.
In reply to Tom_Spangler :
Right. I would not even think about the PTU, in light of how the bodies rust like they were built by Mazda.
Knurled. said:In reply to Tom_Spangler :
Right. I would not even think about the PTU, in light of how the bodies rust like they were built by Mazda.
I've owned 20+ Mazda's and not one of them has had so much of a rust spec. Try washing the salt off?
In reply to Tom_Spangler :
I think that's what I'm going with. I own an oil-consuming Audi 2.0T, an IMS bearing equipped Porsche, and a head gasket popping Turbo Ford so I'm used to issues.
In reply to Javelin :
I had to use a gallon of washer fluid on a 240 mile drive last night. There is no such thing as "wash it off". My serpentine belt is salt encrusted!
OTOH you live in the land where 70s Nissans still exist, so weird things happen everywhere Take the info for what it means.. if you are in an area where cars dissolve, then the rust protection will fail you first.
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