ST_ZX2 wrote: Is the AWD Protege transaxle a G-series? There was a turbo AWD Tracer (91+) in the Challenge IIRC. What transaxle is in the 4 cyl Escape?
Yeah it's a G-series, and yes the Tracer was in the Challenge (he's on here), but i don't know what was on the Escape.
Usually when people get sick of breaking the AWD G, they go to a Toyota trans from the AllTrac.
92CelicaHalfTrac wrote: ^Downside to that is that then you're "stuck" with the BP. Which isn't bad, but i'd much rather have my 2nd gen AWD Turbo Escort in turbo KLDE flavor. (good luck finding drivetrain to handle that)
I was just ruminating on how one might turbo an appropriate motor for this swap. I was figuring on needing custom collectors and a rearish mounted turbo... I have a spare k04 I got off a guy that did a BT build on a cx-7 for 50$.... probably too small for that engine, but whatever. Were KLDE's turbo from the factory in anything? That might make my life easier.
92CelicaHalfTrac wrote:ST_ZX2 wrote: Is the AWD Protege transaxle a G-series? There was a turbo AWD Tracer (91+) in the Challenge IIRC. What transaxle is in the 4 cyl Escape?Yeah it's a G-series, and yes the Tracer was in the Challenge (he's on here), but i don't know what was on the Escape. Usually when people get sick of breaking the AWD G, they go to a Toyota trans from the AllTrac.
LOL-- G is for Glass.
We've gernaded one already in the ZX2.
If the Escape transaxle works, that might open up the 2.3 Duratec as a motor...
Personally, I'd like to see the FSVT motor in an Escort.
ST_ZX2 wrote:92CelicaHalfTrac wrote:LOL-- G is for Glass. We've gernaded one already in the ZX2. If the Escape transaxle works, that might open up the 2.3 Duratec as a motor... Personally, I'd like to see the FSVT motor in an Escort.ST_ZX2 wrote: Is the AWD Protege transaxle a G-series? There was a turbo AWD Tracer (91+) in the Challenge IIRC. What transaxle is in the 4 cyl Escape?Yeah it's a G-series, and yes the Tracer was in the Challenge (he's on here), but i don't know what was on the Escape. Usually when people get sick of breaking the AWD G, they go to a Toyota trans from the AllTrac.
I've come to love Mazda, but man... they just couldn't make a FWD trans worth a E36 M3, could they?
mndsm wrote:92CelicaHalfTrac wrote: ^Downside to that is that then you're "stuck" with the BP. Which isn't bad, but i'd much rather have my 2nd gen AWD Turbo Escort in turbo KLDE flavor. (good luck finding drivetrain to handle that)I was just ruminating on how one might turbo an appropriate motor for this swap. I was figuring on needing custom collectors and a rearish mounted turbo... I have a spare k04 I got off a guy that did a BT build on a cx-7 for 50$.... probably too small for that engine, but whatever. Were KLDE's turbo from the factory in anything? That might make my life easier.
Nope, the KLs weren't turbo in a factory anything besides 2 prototype/show cars that mazda built that became the Mazda 6. (AWD, twin turbo KLZE-powered.) Both were destroyed.
That said, there will be plenty of room for a turbo setup in the engine bay. No real difference in space between a KL in an Escort than in a Probe/MX6/MX3. (probably more room than MX3, actually.)
Custom collectors not needed. AVC makes the pipes, or there's ebay knockoffs for cheaper. Ebay-boosted MX6s have made it deep into the 12s on nothing more than a ghetto FMU setup. Take 400-600lbs off and you have well.... insanity.
Welp, now you've done it. I want a pink, v6, turbo, escort wagon. My wife will divorce me for sure.
My job here is done. 
What about ZX2 parts to put a Zetec 2.0 into a BG platform like the Escort or 323? Is it a hub to hub with everything in between swap like dropping in the BP? MTX75 an easy addition to this mess?
(Zetec 2.0 + MTX75 in early-90's 323 sounds nice doesn't it? Almost sounds factory vs. the Toyota trans swap and should get good mileage...)
The MTX75 (from the focus, right?) doesn't bolt in to the BG platform. If it did, I would be getting one. Edit: I think it has been done but requires custom axles.
In America I think the most common and cheapest source would be the Focus and probably the Contour as well. Wondering what custom axles would cost... would probably solve a lot of problems then, like keeping the factory hubs if desired, etc.
Been wanting a Cossie Escort personally for years.
My brother had an 84 2-door Escort years ago, and I actually like how those look. But, something I heard a while ago is that the EGT just before the ZX2 'Cort used the Miata engine. Never looked into this claim. So, I'll be watching this thread to see what I can learn.
Don't quote me on this but I do believe that the Miata motor was in the EGT. I had a Protege LX of that vintage (basically a 4 door EGT) and that motor would spin to 7500 no problem..
Yep, the EGT had the 1.8 Mazda engine. similar to the Miata. The Zetec is a fairly easy swap into other Escorts. Particularly later ones.
AquaHusky wrote: Been wanting a Cossie Escort personally for years. My brother had an 84 2-door Escort years ago, and I actually like how those look. But, something I heard a while ago is that the EGT just before the ZX2 'Cort used the Miata engine. Never looked into this claim. So, I'll be watching this thread to see what I can learn.
The EGT used the BP05. Very slight difference in the head that don't really matter. It's close enough to just call it the same motor. 
iceracer wrote: Yep, the EGT had the 1.8 Mazda engine. similar to the Miata. The Zetec is a fairly easy swap into other Escorts. Particularly later ones.
Getting way off topic... but has anyone swapped in a Zetec into a Miata? 
alfadriver wrote:iceracer wrote: Yep, the EGT had the 1.8 Mazda engine. similar to the Miata. The Zetec is a fairly easy swap into other Escorts. Particularly later ones.Getting way off topic... but has anyone swapped in a Zetec into a Miata?
Not that i'm aware of.... but there's a few FE3 Miatas, which could be considered on topic.
(OP, want a 170hp forged 2.0 4 banger in there? )
There's also a KLZE + ITBs miata running around, and it sounds and moves in a positively EPIC fashion.
I'd like to see an MZR in a Miata.
92CelicaHalfTrac wrote:alfadriver wrote:Not that i'm aware of.... but there's a few FE3 Miatas, which could be considered on topic. (OP, want a 170hp forged 2.0 4 banger in there?iceracer wrote: Yep, the EGT had the 1.8 Mazda engine. similar to the Miata. The Zetec is a fairly easy swap into other Escorts. Particularly later ones.Getting way off topic... but has anyone swapped in a Zetec into a Miata?
I'd like to see it in a Lincoln 'vert. 
Especially if it's the same size as a Miata.
(NOTE- this is a HOPE, not anything more than that)
alfadriver wrote:92CelicaHalfTrac wrote:I'd like to see it in a Lincoln 'vert.alfadriver wrote:Not that i'm aware of.... but there's a few FE3 Miatas, which could be considered on topic. (OP, want a 170hp forged 2.0 4 banger in there?iceracer wrote: Yep, the EGT had the 1.8 Mazda engine. similar to the Miata. The Zetec is a fairly easy swap into other Escorts. Particularly later ones.Getting way off topic... but has anyone swapped in a Zetec into a Miata?
Tell me more about your HOPE.
And when you get a chance, search the youtubes for "KLZE Miata" and you'll understand. It stirs my soul.
I've decided that i need something like 5 miatas to fulfill all my Miata swapping wants.
How easy is an FE3 swap into a BG chassis and is the FE3 found in the Sportage "good enough" or are you having to source the thing from elsewhere? US supplies of that engine aren't really that hot. Finally, what trans makes an FE3 into BG swap most possible without insanity? H-series?
In reply to 92CelicaHalfTrac:
Hope is for a F branded small 'vert, and Lincoln seems like a decent choice, given the Mustang.
But this whole thread is great, especially for Challengers. It's almost getting to be easily possible to find an NB with a grenaded engine, but slavagable enough to find an EGT or something like it to swap in the enigne. And knowing the intake/exhaust swap- even better.
I'd love to see an engine only Miata challenger to crush the autocross and just get 14 seconds in the drag race.
pres589 wrote: How easy is an FE3 swap into a BG chassis and is the FE3 found in the Sportage "good enough" or are you having to source the thing from elsewhere? US supplies of that engine aren't really that hot. Finally, what trans makes an FE3 into BG swap most possible without insanity? H-series?
There's a few good write-ups on ClubProtege. From what i understand it's pretty easy, requires modification of just one mount if i remember.
It'll work with the stock trans, which will be fine unless you plan on making a LOT of power with it.
The H-type swap is somewhat insane. It's not easy, and would all but require a 5-lug swap.
Also gotta figure that the H-type is a big bastard.
But the FE3 is literally just millimeters bigger in exterior dimensions than the BP. It fits like it was meant to be there. You can run it off the BP wiring harness and ECU, but you'll give up some power. The best way would be to use the BP harness, and then build an MS PNP setup to control it and get all your horsies. Plus, then you're set up for boost later.
The Sportage is the easiest source for the FE3, but you'd want to source some of the Mazda FE3 cams to make up some difference. (Especially if keeping it N/A.) Boost? Meh. Just throw some ARP studs in it and go to town.
It's not incredibly difficult to find a "real" FE3 either way. There's guides on what to look for to make sure you're getting a real one from an importer, and there's a few of them stockpiled by members of MX6.com.
But from what i've seen in Australia particularly, the power potential of that motor is pretty astounding. There's a GD wagon owned by "Jesiotrot" with a Toyota E153 trans conversion making over 500whp i believe. Biggish turbo, ITBs w/ enclosed plenum, etc etc etc. Makes awesome noises, too.
alfadriver wrote: In reply to 92CelicaHalfTrac: Hope is for a F branded small 'vert, and Lincoln seems like a decent choice, given the Mustang. But this whole thread is great, especially for Challengers. It's almost getting to be easily possible to find an NB with a grenaded engine, but slavagable enough to find an EGT or something like it to swap in the enigne. And knowing the intake/exhaust swap- even better. I'd love to see an engine only Miata challenger to crush the autocross and just get 14 seconds in the drag race.
I think it's more than possible. Start with the lightest 1.6 miata you can find, dump in a cheap BP from the Escort. (I can get them from the local junkyard for $150 or less) Megasquirt, Exhintake mod, cut intake manifold, nice intake, header, and free flowing exhaust. Tune it well, then gut it.
In reply to 92CelicaHalfTrac:
Knowing the challenge rules, you could pretty much start with any Miata. Once you get them stripped, there's not going to be much between them.
Seeing that one can be ~1800lb as CSP legal, I suspect that a challenge legal Miata could clear that by well over 100lb.
But that is more an excercise in my head at the moment. Can't talk anyone around here to take enough of that on to start it.
it would also be interesting to find out what are fairly easy swaps for Challenge cars.... again, very interesting reading this thread.
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