While a 3-door would be perfect for me, it is nonetheless a slightly nicer Civic Si with a hatchback, a thing I've said I would buy if they made it.
The million dollar question is how much it will *actually* cost. You need the top-level A-Spec with the tech package to get the 6-speed...and I would guess a Type-S model is on the horizon too.
In reply to Pete. (l33t FS) :
Yes it's heavier and bigger but I wouldn't say significant. My 2001 GSR sedan is 2750 LB and 178" long. The current SI sedan is 2950 and 184" long. I bet this comes in around 3100 LB and they have already announced it'll be 185.8" long.
Nothing that makes me want to run to the Acura dealer as mentioned but not bad for a mid-size semi luxury sedan.
I don't dislike it and I'm happy to see the Integra nameplate return. However, if I'm spending 40-large on a new car like that - for what I would use it for - occasional fun driving - a CTR is just more likely. Granted, I already have a modern "toy" car I don't drive often enough (my 2006 MINI JCW).
Ian F (Forum Supporter) said:I don't dislike it and I'm happy to see the Integra nameplate return. However, if I'm spending 40-large on a new car like that - for what I would use it for - occasional fun driving - a CTR is just more likely. Granted, I already have a modern "toy" car I don't drive often enough (my 2006 MINI JCW).
I'm in the same boat.
It looks very similar to the TLX, doesn't it?
In reply to amg_rx7 (Forum Supporter) :
I think it looks very similar to the current TLX or ILX.
Honestly though, I don't dislike the car, I'm just not a fan of it being called an Integra. IMO they should have stuck with the typical Acura naming convention (three letters) and saved the Integra name for something that's a bit more sporty.
My wife has a ILX A-spec for her dd and we both love the little car. Having a DCT and a torque converter was really weird to me at first but I've grown to like it in a car that has her application.
First 500 people on the pre-order list "have the opportunity to claim an upgraded NFT*"
I have to say I keep seeing '22 blue civic hatchbacks and I think they are Audis. This will be a fine car. I see Hondata has a nice tune for that motor that appears CARB certified. Much better in blue than yellow.
I'm going to offer the counter to a lot of the above. Go read all the stuff here on the '19 Si. This is an improved '22 Si. I drove a '19 Si with the wife and kids last month. It is far roomier than you think and at less than 3,000 lbs it's far sportier than you'd think, the transmission is the best cable shifter trans I have ever rowed (looking at you Porsche). It's not a Miata shifter but it's dang nice. The clutch is light but you can feel all the take up and engagement like a manual clutch. The car is quiet on the road but has a little exhaust noise feedback when you get into it. It is the best FWD chassis I've ever experienced. I'm no spring chicken and I'm looking forward to driving mine well over 100k miles. At which point I may get an Acura Integra to replace it.
Sporty sedans with manuals are a dying thing and this is one the best ever made.
Lately I've found myself wondering how kick ass a Type R would be at rallycross. I bet I could get fanboys angry rallycrossing one.
I see the hp isn't significantly more than Integra of the past. But what's the powerband?
My wife's 2019 Accord seems way faster than any stock RSX and Integra I've driven.
In reply to yupididit :
The powerband is very broad. I've driven many VAG 1.8t and 2.0t cars all around 200 hp. This feels much better. It's smoother with more linear power delivery. I keep shaking my head at how 1.5 L does this.
I've driven a lot of the turbo L15 equipped vehicles and they feel like a 2.4l nonturbo engine, which I assume is the goal. It seems to have largely replaced the K24 in Honda's lineup in model positioning. Also it seems to be as physically large as a K24 height wise, but much wider with the addition of having a turbo hanging way out front 
I could detect a little bit of lag when doing things like accelerating uphill from a stop. And it isn't a firestarter of an engine to be sure, but that isn't its goal, its goal was to propel Civics and CRVs and Accords.
Then why the hp complaints?
There is a better than even chance that one of these will end up in my garage next time I am buying a car. I figure that will be about this time next year.
yupididit said:Then why the hp complaints?
It is expected that a base Integra make more power than a Civic Si, I assume.
What this is is a rebadged mid level Civic.
A complete departure from the nostalgia.
Portly. "Well hung and well strung". Computer aids to overcome modern, self imposed adversities.
Well, it will certainly fit into the rest of the Acura line up.
In reply to Definitely gone now :
You do realize these weigh about the same as a Porsche Boxster, right? To me it's the most amazing thing about the new Civics. They are big but weigh less than 3,000 in Si trim.
Yeah, there's a lot of complaining in this thread about a car that should actually be really impressive.
TLDR: the '22 Civic Si is only 110lbs more than a late RSX Type-S and makes 20 more horsepower with 90 ft. lb. more torques, and a much bigger area under the curve for both. They will have to add a lot of luxury BS to the Integra to make it any slower than an RSX, let alone a DC2 Integra GSR.
The '22 Si is 2950lbs according to Honda. An '05 RSX Type-S was 2840. (For the sake of completeness, a 2001 Integra GSR was 2,764, and that car made 170HP...power to weight ratio inferior to both the RSX and new Civic Si.)
Here's a dyno of the '22 Si (green line) compared to the '21 (red):
Here are dynos of a 2005 RSX Type-S with and without a Hondata tune:
In reply to pointofdeparture :
No complaining. Just observations from my POV. My only problem is that there is no difference between the Intregra and the Civic mechanically and there always was a significant difference in the past at least from the engine POV.
Honestly, I think part of that is bringing back the Integra name. If they would have labeled this the next generation ILX, the I don't think I would care as much. But I also think I would have not even noticed or paid attention to a new ILX launch.
I've owned all 3 of the prior generations of the Integra and still own a 01 GSR.
If I was one to bet, I'd be willing to say that there is a Type-S version in the works, and I'd think we'd see it not long after Honda unveils the next-gen Civic Type R...whenever that'll be.
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