Want an even more powerful, lighter and more track-friendly BMW M3 Competition? Well, you’re just in luck, as the 2024 BMW M3 CS delivers 40 more horses, cuts 75 pounds and offers exclusive track-focused features.
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I'll claim it's the grill that prevents me from taking one out on-track.
4000 lbs of "cutting weight" track machine
laughable and embarrassing
nothing more than a lease special for poseurs
In reply to mr2s2000elise :
I'll say this: I've driven the 2023 M3 Competition, M4 Competition, and M4 CSL - and they feel much lighter on their feet than the scales indicate, but they're certainly not the lightest of cars historically, for sure.
Only $36k (plus dealer markups) more than an M3 Competition XDrive. What a steal!
At that price I could buy 12 ratty first year 335s, unbolt the exhaust, throw a tune on them and track 'em until they blow up.
mr2s2000elise said:4000 lbs of "cutting weight" track machine
My buddy and I were talking about this.
Unfortunately, there is a lower limit on what cars can weigh these days. Even a "small" performance oriented car like the Veloster N still weighs over 3000lbs.
The Miata is really the only lightweight car still available new.
The exception here is maybe the Mazda 3 Turbo AWD, which does seem to pack a lot of features into a relatively lightweight package. Suprising that the six-figure BMW can't even get within 500lbs of a Mazda.
pheller said:mr2s2000elise said:4000 lbs of "cutting weight" track machine
My buddy and I were talking about this.
Unfortunately, there is a lower limit on what cars can weigh these days. Even a "small" performance oriented car like the Veloster N still weighs over 3000lbs.
The Miata is really the only lightweight car still available new.
The exception here is maybe the Mazda 3 Turbo AWD, which does seem to pack a lot of features into a relatively lightweight package. Suprising that the six-figure BMW can't even get within 500lbs of a Mazda.
I do understand things are heavier these days. But if one tells me 4000lb is the lightweight track machine, I am not buying it.
CTR 3188
GR Corolla 3252
GS-F 4032
So the M3 is barely lighter than a GS-F. As much as I love me a Yamaha V8, GS-F is no track car, and doesn't pretend to be. BMW needs to stop with the marketing jargon.
pheller said:mr2s2000elise said:4000 lbs of "cutting weight" track machine
My buddy and I were talking about this.
Unfortunately, there is a lower limit on what cars can weigh these days. Even a "small" performance oriented car like the Veloster N still weighs over 3000lbs.
The Miata is really the only lightweight car still available new.
The exception here is maybe the Mazda 3 Turbo AWD, which does seem to pack a lot of features into a relatively lightweight package. Suprising that the six-figure BMW can't even get within 500lbs of a Mazda.
I mean we all know the reasons, more amenities, more crash structures, etc. Doesn't mean we have to like it.
The new BRZ manual is just a tick over 2800lbs and it's relatively easy to pull 100lbs out of it without impacting daily driving comfort. If one was willing to do a header and E85, that gets it real close to the magical 10:1 weight:hp ratio.
If you want lower weight, BMW sells the M2, but it only comes as a 2-door IIRC. I guess the blandness of the 4-door doesn't work for an M car:
Oh oops, that's an Impreza. I think this is a 2 series:
pinchvalve (Forum Supporter) said:I guess the blandness of the 4-door doesn't work for an M car:
*scratches head*
M3
M5
M2 barely weighs less than the M3/4
That 30.5 lbs of boost is absolute, right? Not relative?
While still not a light car, I'd happily take the track ready 2016 M3 that sold on BaT today over this thing.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/2016-bmw-m3-32/
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