Ram50Ron said:Level 10 spook factor in the headline but the Escape and Transit Connect are both based on the same platform that gave us the Focus RS. No reason why it won't work in the opposite direction.
An AWD Mustang is probably still going to be lighter than a Scat Pack Challenger.
That just makes me want a 350 horse power AWD Transit Connect.
PHAN said:stanger_missle said:So, let's imagine just for a moment. The next Mustang will be based on the same platform as the new Explorer and Aviator. So does that mean a Lincoln personal luxury coupe could happen?
Call it the MkX (that's MARK 10 not Emm Kay Ecks).
One can dream!
It was considered during the current generation... hopefully they find a way to place both the Mustang and it's Lincoln variant.
I found the Lincoln render much more attractive. However, I'm kinda of doubtful both will exist since it seems like they want the Mustang to be more European and "Grand Tourer" already. If they decide to keep the Mustang "American" and "ponycar-ish", I can see room for a Lincoln version in the line-up.
Oooofffffff, I REALLY like that render.
z31maniac said:Oooofffffff, I REALLY like that render.
I'd like to see it with the Continental grill
mazdeuce - Seth said:Ram50Ron said:Level 10 spook factor in the headline but the Escape and Transit Connect are both based on the same platform that gave us the Focus RS. No reason why it won't work in the opposite direction.
An AWD Mustang is probably still going to be lighter than a Scat Pack Challenger.
That just makes me want a 350 horse power AWD Transit Connect.
This could be your next internet breaking build thread!
Adam
The truck chassis will make it so much better at hunting pedestrians.
Ram50Ron said:An AWD Mustang is probably still going to be lighter than a Scat Pack Challenger.
Sadly not by much. A scat pack Challenger is what, 4100lbs? A RWD Mustang GT is already 3800lbs. AWD has to add a significant amount of weight. I bet they would be in the same ballpark.
I love this gen of Mustang except for the weight. But Ford seemingly hasn't had trouble selling them so it's apparently not been a mistake on their part.
dculberson said:Ram50Ron said:An AWD Mustang is probably still going to be lighter than a Scat Pack Challenger.
Sadly not by much. A scat pack Challenger is what, 4100lbs? A RWD Mustang GT is already 3800lbs. AWD has to add a significant amount of weight. I bet they would be in the same ballpark.
I love this gen of Mustang except for the weight. But Ford seemingly hasn't had trouble selling them so it's apparently not been a mistake on their part.
I don't think the average car buyer thinks about weight like we do.
PHAN said:stanger_missle said:So, let's imagine just for a moment. The next Mustang will be based on the same platform as the new Explorer and Aviator. So does that mean a Lincoln personal luxury coupe could happen?
Call it the MkX (that's MARK 10 not Emm Kay Ecks).
One can dream!
It was considered during the current generation... hopefully they find a way to place both the Mustang and it's Lincoln variant.
I found the Lincoln render much more attractive. However, I'm kinda of doubtful both will exist since it seems like they want the Mustang to be more European and "Grand Tourer" already. If they decide to keep the Mustang "American" and "ponycar-ish", I can see room for a Lincoln version in the line-up.
I gotta say, even with the Lincolnified grill, that render looks amazing. I agree that I think there should be room for both the Ford and Lincoln variants. The Lincoln would be an ultra-lux, grand touring style muscle couch.
Hot rod Lincoln indeed 
mtn said:dculberson said:Ram50Ron said:An AWD Mustang is probably still going to be lighter than a Scat Pack Challenger.
Sadly not by much. A scat pack Challenger is what, 4100lbs? A RWD Mustang GT is already 3800lbs. AWD has to add a significant amount of weight. I bet they would be in the same ballpark.
I love this gen of Mustang except for the weight. But Ford seemingly hasn't had trouble selling them so it's apparently not been a mistake on their part.
I don't think the average car buyer thinks about weight like we do.
I meant that more as an "LX body is old and heavy" joke than a technical observation. Bad joke is bad. Open mouth. Insert foot.
Daylan C said:I mean, the current Charger and Challenger have been on the same platform as the Durango and Grand Cherokee for a while now.
I'm honestly curious about the possibility of a sporty rwd v8 explorer now.
That is why the Charger and Challenger are bloated pigs and the Durango and Grand Cherokee are kinda useless as trucks.
mtn said:dculberson said:Ram50Ron said:An AWD Mustang is probably still going to be lighter than a Scat Pack Challenger.
Sadly not by much. A scat pack Challenger is what, 4100lbs? A RWD Mustang GT is already 3800lbs. AWD has to add a significant amount of weight. I bet they would be in the same ballpark.
I love this gen of Mustang except for the weight. But Ford seemingly hasn't had trouble selling them so it's apparently not been a mistake on their part.
I don't think the average car buyer thinks about weight like we do.
You need all that weight to tame all the unsprung weight you get from 22s. Keep the tires on the ground. You know, road hugging weight.
PHAN said:stanger_missle said:So, let's imagine just for a moment. The next Mustang will be based on the same platform as the new Explorer and Aviator. So does that mean a Lincoln personal luxury coupe could happen?
Call it the MkX (that's MARK 10 not Emm Kay Ecks).
One can dream!
It was considered during the current generation... hopefully they find a way to place both the Mustang and it's Lincoln variant.
I found the Lincoln render much more attractive. However, I'm kinda of doubtful both will exist since it seems like they want the Mustang to be more European and "Grand Tourer" already. If they decide to keep the Mustang "American" and "ponycar-ish", I can see room for a Lincoln version in the line-up.
Now imagine that but E-Class Coupe sized and with 400hp, torque-vectoring AWD and the grille and seats from the new Continental. Can someone say budget Bentley?
I want a lighter Mustang not heavier and as long as they make snow tires I see no point to AWD. I also know the average driver will disagree.
Knurled. said:Daylan C said:I mean, the current Charger and Challenger have been on the same platform as the Durango and Grand Cherokee for a while now.
I'm honestly curious about the possibility of a sporty rwd v8 explorer now.
That is why the Charger and Challenger are bloated pigs and the Durango and Grand Cherokee are kinda useless as trucks.
I still want an SRT Grand Cherokee as a daily though.
PHAN said:stanger_missle said:So, let's imagine just for a moment. The next Mustang will be based on the same platform as the new Explorer and Aviator. So does that mean a Lincoln personal luxury coupe could happen?
Call it the MkX (that's MARK 10 not Emm Kay Ecks).
One can dream!
It was considered during the current generation... hopefully they find a way to place both the Mustang and it's Lincoln variant.
I found the Lincoln render much more attractive. However, I'm kinda of doubtful both will exist since it seems like they want the Mustang to be more European and "Grand Tourer" already. If they decide to keep the Mustang "American" and "ponycar-ish", I can see room for a Lincoln version in the line-up.
I absolutely loathe owning any ford based products. However I am in complete love with Lincolns current design language...I think they are fantastic looking cars.
A scat pack is around 4100 lbs from what I can find. Some of the LX cars are heavier though. I've seen listed curb weight as high as 4450 for a Hellcat and ~4200 for a Demon.
It looks like the lightest current Mustangs are in the 3500 - 3600 range, so that's a pretty big weight difference. The 6th Gen Camaros can get under 3400 lbs in turbo 4 form, but with a V8 they're around 3700, so pretty much even with a similar Mustang.
Great idea, they should call it the Mustang II.
In reply to SaltyDog :
Mustang Too*
malibuguy said:Maybe they wont pull towards the crowds any more
beat me to it. AWD = natural understeer :)
I honestly think it would be a great idea, provided the RWD versions were also still available with the performance/high-power setups for the "purists."
Because let's face it, a good chunk of this country lives in places where it snows, and not everyone can have a "winter" car for one reason or another. And Mustangs, even with winter tires, are pretty lousy in the snow and ice.
I mean, the purists may whine, but what are they gonna do? Switch to Chevy or Dodge? Doubt it. Buy a Euro? meh. In the end, they'll buy another Mustang once the initial hate wears off....
So the Mustang could be SUV-ish. Whatever. I guess that is what happens when a company stops making CARS.
With AWD it can compete head to head with the Kia Stinger 
Adam
G_Body_Man said:PHAN said:stanger_missle said:So, let's imagine just for a moment. The next Mustang will be based on the same platform as the new Explorer and Aviator. So does that mean a Lincoln personal luxury coupe could happen?
Call it the MkX (that's MARK 10 not Emm Kay Ecks).
One can dream!
It was considered during the current generation... hopefully they find a way to place both the Mustang and it's Lincoln variant.
I found the Lincoln render much more attractive. However, I'm kinda of doubtful both will exist since it seems like they want the Mustang to be more European and "Grand Tourer" already. If they decide to keep the Mustang "American" and "ponycar-ish", I can see room for a Lincoln version in the line-up.Now imagine that but E-Class Coupe sized and with 400hp, torque-vectoring AWD and the grille and seats from the new Continental. Can someone say budget Bentley?
With the 2.7T Ecoboost + Hybrid power = win.
Lincolns: they still make those?
My beloved S197 is based on a Lincoln LS platform. The Mustang has never (with possible exception of the M-II) been on its own platform. Falcon, Fairlane, Fairmont, Lincoln LS...nothing new here. It's what they do with the donor chassis to make it exceptional that matters.
Back in the 1960s and 70s Fiat did this exact thing with great success, turning dowdy sedans into cool, fun cars like the 850, 124 and X1/9. Just one example of platform sharing.
This is different than badge engineering (Cimarron and Saabaru, anyone?). The results of that generally suck.
ddavidv said:My beloved S197 is based on a Lincoln LS platform.
Not sure on that one. They went out of their way to put a 3 link 8.8 under a Lincoln LS/Jag S-Type chassis? Also if I remember right, the Mustang II was based on the Pinto.
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