Oh snap... Someone's E36 M3 ate a Coyote....

Ok, really just a plain jane E36...

http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?1941747-E36-Ford-Coyote-Swap-Build-Thread

it's cool for the sake of "different", but I'll be the first to ask, why not LSX? That thing is pretty big! I assume we'll get into the debate about engine weights, DOHC vs pushrods, and etc.

In reply to Teh E36 M3:

Honestly, it looks like cost. While the $1800 he has in the engine is about on par with a similar LS variant, the $600 in the manual trans/clutch combo is significantly less than an LS-spec T56 will run. The trans is the biggest $$$$ item in an LS swap unless you go weaker (T5), older (Muncie), or auto.

I'm surprised it fit - maybe those Coyote engines aren't as wide as they look.

Javelin wrote: In reply to Teh E36 M3: Honestly, it looks like cost. While the $1800 he has in the engine is about on par with a similar LS variant, the $600 in the manual trans/clutch combo is *significantly* less than an LS-spec T56 will run. The trans is the biggest $$$$ item in an LS swap unless you go weaker (T5), older (Muncie), or auto.

Good call there- those t56's are like gold. That Coyote sure is big though... look at the strut tower clearance!

Teh E36 M3 wrote: it's cool for the sake of "different", but I'll be the first to ask, why not LSX? That thing is pretty big! I assume we'll get into the debate about engine weights, DOHC vs pushrods, and etc.

Nope, you can ignore all that.

The Coyote sounds AMAZING. The LSx does not.

That's good enough for me.

In reply to z31maniac:

Looks better as well.

Javelin wrote: In reply to Teh E36 M3: Honestly, it looks like cost. While the $1800 he has in the engine is about on par with a similar LS variant, the $600 in the manual trans/clutch combo is *significantly* less than an LS-spec T56 will run. The trans is the biggest $$$$ item in an LS swap unless you go weaker (T5), older (Muncie), or auto.

That's something that a lot of people seem to miss. The trans and the clutch are both ridiculously spendy items if you want a manual transmission LS swap.

The problem with Ford is that Ford manual transmissions all suck and Ford automatics suck even harder. At least for the GM, you really can't go wrong with a 4L60.

z31maniac wrote: Nope, you can ignore all that. The Coyote sounds AMAZING. The LSx does not. That's good enough for me.

You just need more cam. A hot cam in a 6-liter sounds pretty durn sweet. They get a nice popcorn popper exhaust at idle, and if you're on the throttle, you should be accelerating hard enough that your hearing kinda shuts off due to the Ludicrous Speed Effect, so who cares?

z31maniac wrote:

Teh E36 M3 wrote: it's cool for the sake of "different", but I'll be the first to ask, why not LSX? That thing is pretty big! I assume we'll get into the debate about engine weights, DOHC vs pushrods, and etc.

Nope, you can ignore all that. The Coyote sounds AMAZING. The LSx does not. That's good enough for me.

Agreed what are the used Coyotes bringing now?

Fron the strip times in the video, not very quick either. I would want 12's for that kind of effort and dispalcement.

NOHOME wrote: Fron the strip times in the video, not very quick either. I would want 12's for that kind of effort and dispalcement.

That's IT?

I knew the BMW rear suspension sucked for putting power down, but jeez. Aren't the Mustangs with this engine running 11s with slicks and mild massaging? Aren't the Mustangs with this engine massively heavier?

Knurled wrote: The problem with Ford is that Ford manual transmissions all suck and Ford automatics suck even harder. At least for the GM, you really can't go wrong with a 4L60.

You can't be serious.....

NOHOME wrote: Fron the strip times in the video, not very quick either. I would want 12's for that kind of effort and dispalcement.

His MPH shows around 12.6x potential... but granny shifting on street tires as to not BREAK it, I can live with it.

I like fords, they sound better. I want a V-8 in my volvo brick and everyone says go with LS1 but I think I'd rather have a 5.0 ford with a 5 speed... I can't afford a coyote and I want a manual so from what I'm seeing on this thread I probably couldn't afford the LS since I want a manual.

plance1 wrote: I like fords, they sound better. I want a V-8 in my volvo brick and everyone says go with LS1 but I think I'd rather have a 5.0 ford with a 5 speed... I can't afford a coyote and I want a manual so from what I'm seeing on this thread I probably couldn't afford the LS since I want a manual.

The 5.0 swap is cake, and well documented. I think the LS is a better motor, but probably is a little tougher to swap.

I think the only place you could fit a Ford Cammer into a 240 is in the back of a wagon...

Knurled wrote:

NOHOME wrote: Fron the strip times in the video, not very quick either. I would want 12's for that kind of effort and dispalcement.

That's IT? I knew the BMW rear suspension sucked for putting power down, but jeez. Aren't the Mustangs with this engine running 11s with slicks and mild massaging? Aren't the Mustangs with this engine massively heavier?

Stock on street tires the Coyote cars are 12.9xx with good driving. IIRC

aussiesmg wrote:

z31maniac wrote:

Teh E36 M3 wrote: it's cool for the sake of "different", but I'll be the first to ask, why not LSX? That thing is pretty big! I assume we'll get into the debate about engine weights, DOHC vs pushrods, and etc.

Nope, you can ignore all that. The Coyote sounds AMAZING. The LSx does not. That's good enough for me.

Agreed what are the used Coyotes bringing now?

That I don't know. Probably too much unless you luck into something. New they are $8k for a crate engine

If you have the scratch you can just buy this though:

http://www.americanmuscle.com/frpp-50-aluminator-xs-engine.html

Factory built 500+hp N/A.

This is an F150 motor, though... not the Mustang variant. Down on power. It's doing about what i'd expect on street tires.

that's a friggin huge engine.

z31maniac wrote:

aussiesmg wrote:

z31maniac wrote:

Teh E36 M3 wrote: it's cool for the sake of "different", but I'll be the first to ask, why not LSX? That thing is pretty big! I assume we'll get into the debate about engine weights, DOHC vs pushrods, and etc.

Nope, you can ignore all that. The Coyote sounds AMAZING. The LSx does not. That's good enough for me.

Agreed what are the used Coyotes bringing now?

That I don't know. Probably too much unless you luck into something. New they are $8k for a crate engine If you have the scratch you can just buy this though: http://www.americanmuscle.com/frpp-50-aluminator-xs-engine.html Factory built 500+hp N/A.

Try this one for a lot less.

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/fms-m-6007-m50/overview/make/ford

Swank Force One wrote: This is an F150 motor, though... not the Mustang variant. Down on power. It's doing about what i'd expect on street tires.

That... explains a lot.

Perhaps I was thinking of the GT500 regarding 11s.

Knurled wrote:

Javelin wrote: In reply to Teh E36 M3: Honestly, it looks like cost. While the $1800 he has in the engine is about on par with a similar LS variant, the $600 in the manual trans/clutch combo is *significantly* less than an LS-spec T56 will run. The trans is the biggest $$$$ item in an LS swap unless you go weaker (T5), older (Muncie), or auto.

That's something that a lot of people seem to miss. The trans and the clutch are both ridiculously spendy items if you want a manual transmission LS swap. The problem with Ford is that Ford manual transmissions all suck and Ford automatics suck even harder. At least for the GM, you really can't go wrong with a 4L60.

TKO.

done.

if not done, faceplate it!

Yeah, but you ever drive a TKO?

Faceplate it indeed!

Streetwiseguy wrote:

plance1 wrote: I like fords, they sound better. I want a V-8 in my volvo brick and everyone says go with LS1 but I think I'd rather have a 5.0 ford with a 5 speed... I can't afford a coyote and I want a manual so from what I'm seeing on this thread I probably couldn't afford the LS since I want a manual.

The 5.0 swap is cake, and well documented. I think the LS is a better motor, but probably is a little tougher to swap. I think the only place you could fit a Ford Cammer into a 240 is in the back of a wagon...

It does fit . . .

Fendbass' car is pretty cool. I got some of his swap parts when he had a 302 in his E36.